Brexit: The fallout

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It should be noted that 4 years after the original vote there is no sign of a UK trade deal with either the EU or (perhaps crucially as it was seen as the replacement) US.

 

The former was supposed to be the "easiest trade agreement in history" you will all remember.

 

The latter was never in the gift of POTUS and always required Democrat support. Trump may not be re-elected at all in November and Joseph Biden is a known friend of Ireland (his ancestors coming from there) so the UK had better tread carefully when it comes to the GFA. I suspect Johnson knows this, hence the only bit of progress we have seen is the UK asking the EU to sign off on EU external BCPs within the United Kingdom itself (at the ports of Belfast and Larne). 

 

The signs are now that there will be no quick deal with the US leaving the UK between a rock and a hard place, with no trade deals of any sort agreed with any of the world's major economies. That's a really unenviable position for a country to be in.

 

China can obviously be forgotten about for a generation after the UK has (IMO rightly) stood up to them over HK. China really really doesn't need the UK more than the UK needs China 😂

 

As an aside, it's ironic that British government (and I stress government because several unions in GB organised aid for their fellow countrymen across the Irish sea) ill treatment of Ireland in the mid nineteenth century can have such serious repercussions getting on for two centuries later. 

 

 

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3 hours ago, murphaph said:

As an aside, it's ironic that British government (and I stress government because several unions in GB organised aid for their fellow countrymen across the Irish sea) ill treatment of Ireland in the mid nineteenth century can have such serious repercussions getting on for two centuries later. 

 

Irish lives matter!

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4 minutes ago, dom said:

Irish lives matter!

 

3 minutes ago, dom said:

EU lives matter!!

 

Every life is precious and every life matters. :)

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4 hours ago, murphaph said:

As an aside, it's ironic that British government (and I stress government because several unions in GB organised aid for their fellow countrymen across the Irish sea) ill treatment of Ireland in the mid nineteenth century can have such serious repercussions getting on for two centuries later.

 

 

That episode in their history may just come back to bite them!

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9 hours ago, murphaph said:

The latter was never in the gift of POTUS and always required Democrat support. Trump may not be re-elected at all in November and Joseph Biden is a known friend of Ireland (his ancestors coming from there) so the UK had better tread carefully when it comes to the GFA. I suspect Johnson knows this, hence the only bit of progress we have seen is the UK asking the EU to sign off on EU external BCPs within the United Kingdom itself (at the ports of Belfast and Larne). 

 

I don't agree with the idea that the foreign policy of any major democracy is driven by the sentimentality of the current executive.   In the case of the US, the POTUS is (by design) a weak executive and the policy will reflect national interest. 

9 hours ago, murphaph said:

 

The signs are now that there will be no quick deal with the US leaving the UK between a rock and a hard place, with no trade deals of any sort agreed with any of the world's major economies. That's a really unenviable position for a country to be in.

The US and UK have a lot of common interests and while any choice the UK made would have been a downgrade, i tend to think the UK took the least worst option with Brexit. 

 

Have you considered what will happen when the US pulls the plug on the EU?   The choice to Brexit will seem prescient at that point.    Stay tuned.   

 

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On 2020-07-24, 10:44:15, murphaph said:

The signs are now that there will be no quick deal with the US leaving the UK between a rock and a hard place, with no trade deals of any sort agreed with any of the world's major economies. That's a really unenviable position for a country to be in.

 

Gee whiz, if only someone had predicted this beforehand. A rousing chorus of Rule Brittania will surely tide things over.

 

 

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Pack of liars in that montage. Same as the liars on this forum that perpetuate the myth that it's for the best.

 

Anyway, July another self imposed deadline fast approaching so watch this space to see what Johnson does in 4 days.

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14 hours ago, alderhill said:

 

Gee whiz, if only someone had predicted this beforehand. A rousing chorus of Rule Brittania will surely tide things over.

 

Look at the way Canada was forced into signing the MCA to see what is in store.

 

Still less worse than staying in the EU.

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There's still another Irishman in the bar who can sneak the departed Irishman back in the toilet window. The Scotsman is well regarded by the barman too ;-)

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Scroll down for some positive Brexit news!!
Scroll down for some positive Brexit news!!
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What, you didn't seriously expect to see some did you?

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3 hours ago, murphaph said:

so watch this space to see what Johnson does in 4 days.

Probably nothing...

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13 minutes ago, HEM said:

Probably nothing...

 

Well, he'll turn round and say this.

Then he'll turn round and say that.

Then he'll turn round and claim he never did say this or that.

Whatever this or that was. (He won't remember.)

 

At least you can be certain he'll blame the EU  for it all.

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