Brexit: The fallout

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On 5/20/2020, 3:21:22, yesterday said:

The web site says in the tex

 

Nissan has denied the claims, with a spokesperson for its European operation stating: “We deny such a contingency plan exists. We’ve modelled every possible ramification of Brexit and the fact remains that our entire business both in the UK and in Europe is not sustainable in the event of WTO tariffs… We continue to urge UK and EU negotiators to work collaboratively towards an orderly balanced Brexit that will continue to encourage mutually beneficial trade.”

 

I tend to beleive what Nission says 

 

Sunderland voted for brexit, so it looks like they'll get what they deserve...

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16 minutes ago, john_b said:

 

You really got my hopes up that this was going to be an excellent analysis. 

 

I was filled with even more hope, if that is indeed possible, when I read the chap's self congratulatory introduction. 

 

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He bigs himself up then lets himself down, dramatically.  

 

In the first line the bloke says that UK has 'belatedly' made public the legal texts allowing them to be be communicated to EU member states. 

 

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This week the UK government, belatedly, made public its draft legal texts for an agreement with the EU, for the first time authorising them to be communicated to EU Member States.

 

Is the bloke hard of thinking?  The UK's negotiator, David Frost is negotiating with the EU's representative, Michel Barnier not the Member States. 

 

Releasing the legal text earlier would serve no purpose as the Member States aren't pulling Barnier's strings. The EU Commission are.  Just to reiterate, the UK aren't negotiating with the Member States.  The point in now communicating the information to the Member States is to let them know what they stand to lose due to the EU's dogmatic and ideological approach. It's basically turning up the pressure on the EU Commission. 

 

So when this, supposedly clever cunt, writes 'belatedly', we instantly know his following analysis is going to be shite. 

 

And shite, it is. 

 

I won't bore you with the rest of the article, you can do that yourself, but the bloke even gives a nod to Godwin. 

 

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Did those repeatedly comparing the EU to Nazi Germany or the USSR think doing so would make securing a good deal easier?

 

All in all, typical Remainer click bait for the hard of thinking. 

 

4 minutes ago, fraufruit said:

Good read!

 

:lol:

 

I give the article 3 out of 10 because I liked the blog's color scheme, the bloke at least tried, and also he got a point because I am feeling generous this afternoon. 

 

Next! 

 

 

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1 hour ago, fraufruit said:

Good read!

 

So would the EU agree to yet another extension? 

 

Who knows, @fraufruit? As the article indicates, they are all probably heartily tired of the UK by now.

 

The Brexitoddler is still on ignore, but who wants to waste time reading irrelevant nitpicking and bluster anyway? ;) :P

 

 

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2 hours ago, fraufruit said:

Good read!

 

So would the EU agree to yet another extension? 

 

Hear! Hear! 

 

Thanks, john_b.

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17 hours ago, john_b said:

 

This

 

"For such negotiations are not about winning arguments or making complaints. They are about cold, hard power, interests, and trade-offs. Not only do argument and complaint cut no ice, but they show that you have already lost. It’s as simple and as brutal as a playground fight – the person who wants to reason with their opponent is the one who has already lost."

 

This applies when attempting to make the EU's aggressive and short sighted negotiation tactics appear more palatable toward a country it will depend on heavily for defense and security cooperation.     In addition, it provides cover for past transgressions such as the financial destruction of Greece and the EU silent response to Spanish police bashing heads of peaceful Catalans.    

 

Anyone who has doubts can see quite plainly that for Remainers and supra-state EU worshipping clones, the ends always justify the means, the ends being more centralized power.

 

It does not apply to policy from the US toward the EU or NATO with respect to the following:

 

1.  Multiple countries failing to reject Huawei in their 5g infra to the disadvantage of European vendors.

2.  Germany cementing dependency on Russian natural gas and thus compromising its ability to confront Russia for 2-3 generations.   pity patty with Putin or something like that.  

3.  US announcing the levelling of trade and tariff terms to reflect that the Cold War has been over for 30 years

4.  Demanding that countries pay a larger percentage of their own defense which not only reaches 2% of GDP but also results in some modicum of capability.

5.  US demanding that the EU does not open up trade with Iran. 

 

Power politics are awesome until confronting an opponent who is more powerful.    People never learn.   

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On 5/23/2020, 12:31:25, john_b said:

Excellent analysis of the current state of play

 

On 5/23/2020, 1:18:55, fraufruit said:

Good read!    So would the EU agree to yet another extension? 

 

On 5/23/2020, 2:44:02, john_b said:

Who knows, @fraufruit? As the article indicates, they are all probably heartily tired of the UK by now.

 

Funny how the letter below from Michel Barnier doesn't mention that they are all heartily tired of the UK, is it not! 

 

Mr. Barnier mentions, in reply to a letter from some Remainers, the possibility of a two year extension providing the UK puts their hand in their pocket. 

 

Looks like Barnier's arse is starting to twitch and the EU want an extension. 

 

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Just now, fraufruit said:

yea, right

 

What point are you trying to make, Fruity? 

 

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The European Union has always said that we remain open on this matter. Any extension decision has to be taken by the Joint Committee before 1 July, and must be accompanied by an agreement on a financial contribution by the United Kingdom.

 

 

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On 5/23/2020, 1:18:55, fraufruit said:

So would the EU agree to yet another extension? 

 

The answer to that question is clearly, yes, providing the UK makes a financial contribution which covers the extension period. 

 

As the letter below states, an extension can be agreed by both parties. 

 

The problem is, PM Johnson is not going to ask for an extension. 

 

He'll ride out the media manufactured storm over Dominic Cummings and the deadline will come and go. 

 

10 hours ago, hellfire99 said:

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8 hours ago, fraufruit said:

Point? We'll see.

 

I think Barnier is just trying to sound diplomatic.

 

We'll see.

 

So you think he's talking shit, then?  He's just trying to sound diplomatic? 

 

Actually, just as a broken clock is correct twice a day, you are in fact correct! 

 

How fortuitous! 

 

Because diplomacy would have meant that Mr. Barnier, the EU's chief negotiator, would have simply sent a letter back saying he is only able to enter into discussions with the UK's officially appointed negotiator, David Frost. 

 

But here he is stoking the remainer fire. 

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The diplomatic part is the part where he recognizes that, in the future, these people may represent the majority in the UK and the body he represents may have to deal with them.

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