Brexit: The fallout

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22 hours ago, john_b said:

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Is there a point in quoting buffoons? At least Bloom no longer holds any positions of responsibility.That is good news!

 

An excerpt from Wiki: In December 2013, as a result of his various controversies, Bloom was awarded the Plain English Campaign's Foot in Mouth Award. A spokesman said that Bloom was "an overwhelming choice" who "could easily have won this award on at least two other occasions... [he's] a wince-inducing gaffe machine and we could fill a page or two with his ill-advised quotes from 2013 alone".

 

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Guess who won the foot in mouth award in 2019...?

 

Foot in Mouth awards 2019

Boris Johnson

"Can you make a promise to the British public that you will not go back to Brussels and ask for another delay to Brexit?"

"Yes, I can. I'd rather be dead in a ditch"

And yet, as with so many things this year’s Foot in Mouth winner has said, it was almost immediately contradicted. Boris went back to Brussels – as everyone knew he was obliged to do – and asked for another delay to Brexit. Language, clarity, honesty: these are not thing the Prime Minister seems too worried about. The things he says, we are reminded, are not to be taken seriously.

As Prime Minister, Boris Johnson has a responsibility to be serious. Most politicians are selective with the truth, and many regularly dodge questions. But clarity and seriousness are the least we should expect from the leader of our country. Sadly, he seems as happy as ever to put his foot in his mouth, regardless of the consequences. As such, we’re delighted to crown Boris Johnson an unprecedented third time winner of this award.

 

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10 hours ago, dom said:

Guess who won the foot in mouth award in 2019...?

 

Foot in Mouth awards 2019

Boris Johnson

"Can you make a promise to the British public that you will not go back to Brussels and ask for another delay to Brexit?"

"Yes, I can. I'd rather be dead in a ditch"

And yet, as with so many things this year’s Foot in Mouth winner has said, it was almost immediately contradicted. Boris went back to Brussels – as everyone knew he was obliged to do – and asked for another delay to Brexit. Language, clarity, honesty: these are not thing the Prime Minister seems too worried about. The things he says, we are reminded, are not to be taken seriously.

As Prime Minister, Boris Johnson has a responsibility to be serious. Most politicians are selective with the truth, and many regularly dodge questions. But clarity and seriousness are the least we should expect from the leader of our country. Sadly, he seems as happy as ever to put his foot in his mouth, regardless of the consequences. As such, we’re delighted to crown Boris Johnson an unprecedented third time winner of this award.

 

 

 

Boris was compeld by law to ask and accept for an extension, if he had now done that, then I guess he could of landed up in jail. He now has basically unlimited power to leave without a deal or make one. This time around its really only his say on what happens - that will happen - there will be no con revolt loke last time

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On 5/7/2020, 6:14:57, kiplette said:

Not arguing at all about this, but interested in the source. I have heard such varying tales, it would be good to have something more definite.

 

Put it this way, Kiplette, if the NHS had been overwhelmed you would certainly have heard about it on Toytown. The traitorous ones here, you know who you are, would have taken great pleasure in spunking the news all over your screen. 

 

But since it wasn't, they couldn't. 

 

UK’s National Health Service survives first coronavirus wave   (FT, 28.04.20)

 

 

On 5/7/2020, 10:34:12, Keleth said:

When you`ve seen how contagious it is in other countries then you know how contagious it is.

By the begining of March every region of Italy had a Corona case.The first case in Italy was the 31st January.

The UK when they imposed a lockdown knew how contagious it was yet waited 3 weeks after the first documented transmission of it.

Obviously the first country to have a case is not going  to know how contagious or deadly it is but they soon find out.

 

And while you are waiting to see how contagious it is, you do what?   And I don't think China was so forthcoming with the news. 

 

On 5/11/2020, 10:55:48, Wulfrun said:

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Great!  A bigoted quote from someone we've never heard of. 

 

Actually, who is she? 

 

On 5/11/2020, 4:46:34, dom said:

I read that the delay was in-part due to Boris' conviction that you cannot enforce such a restriction of movement on the british people.

Funny that, since with brexit, restriction of movement seemed to be the top priority!

 

Dom, you're a loony! 

 

But I like it! 

 

On 5/11/2020, 10:58:17, Keefy said:

Interesting that they couldn't find enough unemployed in the UK willing  to work on fruit and vegetable picking assignments and had to fly in loads of Romanians to do the work instead,...in the middle of a pandemic. Then there are all these European and overseas doctors and nurses working in the NHS saving lives, and they still have to pay a hefty supplement to the NHS for their own treatment.

 

Mate, that's how the world works. We exploit foreigners and get them to do the shit stuff that we don't want to do.  Everybody's at it and it means that you have a few more pennies in your wallet so stop moaning and be thankful! 

 

Or did you want to pay more for your Spargel? 

 

On 5/12/2020, 12:51:56, cb6dba said:

Just remember, all we have to do is stay alert, you know, be aware.
It's just a virus, ok, it's a genius and most likely an expert in a Chinese form of Ninjitsu and can be waiting for you in every single nook and cranny you walk past.

Just be careful and stay alert, if you see it, avoid it...

(and, if you did catch a bomb during the blitz, you wouldn't have been a burden on the health service)..

 

I'm pleased you reiterated the "be, aware, stay aware" point, Amigo! 

 

How many of you have become complacent and are not washing your hands for the recommended time? 

 

How many of you have stopped disinfecting your packaging? 

 

Have you let your guard slip? 

 

It's hard to maintain these drills 100% and so good on the UK PM for reminding us that this is not over! 

 

 

On 5/13/2020, 8:21:11, yesterday said:

Boris was compeld by law to ask and accept for an extension, if he had now done that, then I guess he could of landed up in jail. 

 

Amen! 

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This letter is fantastic.  No messing around and straight to the point.   

 

UK negotiator to EU: ‘It does not have to be like this’  (Politico, 19.05.20)

 

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Brussels should ‘think again’ on its offer for a post-Brexit relationship, David Frost tells Michel Barnier.


LONDON — The EU is demanding the U.K. sign up to a “low-quality trade agreement” combined with “unprecedented” oversight of British law, and should “think again,” Boris Johnson’s chief Brexit negotiator said.

 

In a forthright letter to Michel Barnier — his EU counterpart — David Frost accused Brussels of demanding the U.K. sign up to obligations on state aid that “any democratic country” would reject, and called their approach to fisheries “unrealistic.”

 

Letter to Michel Barnier

 

Let's see what the dogmatic EU Commission make of that. 

 

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I'm sure everyone would like to join me in hoping this comes off for the good people of Sunderland. 

 

Well, apart from the peeps in Barcelona and France who would lose their jobs. 

 

Two Renault models could be built in Nissan’s Sunderland plant  (18.05.20)

 

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Two Renault SUVs currently made in Barcelona could be moved to Nissan’s manufacturing site in Sunderland, the FT has reported.

 

Renault is a ‘strategic partner’ of Nissan and is in talks with the Japanese car maker to move the Captur and Kadjar production to Britain.

 

Nissan intends to invest £400 million into its operation in the UK. Part of that investment was revealed in March – a new £52 million sheetmetal press line capable of stamping more than 6.1 million vehicle panels a year.

 

The Japanese and French group companies are discussing moving car production lines as part of a global overhaul of operations, which will be announced this month, according to two people familiar with the talks.

 

It was previously reported in February Nissan could pull its own manufacturing operations out of mainland Europe and concentrate on investment in Sunderland.

 

Tariffs as a result of Brexit on cars imported to Britain such as Ford and Volkswagen would make their cars more expensive to consumers, giving the likes of Nissan who assemble in the UK a competitive edge.

 

The contingency plans say the company could boost its 4% market share to as high as 20%.

 

The scenario would mean ‘doubling down’ on the UK and closing its Barcelona van plant as well as its manufacturing in France.

 

 

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3 hours ago, hellfire99 said:

I'm sure everyone would like to join me in hoping this comes off for the good people of Sunderland. 

 

Well, apart from the peeps in Barcelona and France who would lose their jobs. 

 

Two Renault models could be built in Nissan’s Sunderland plant  (18.05.20)

 

 

 

The web site says in the tex

 

Nissan has denied the claims, with a spokesperson for its European operation stating: “We deny such a contingency plan exists. We’ve modelled every possible ramification of Brexit and the fact remains that our entire business both in the UK and in Europe is not sustainable in the event of WTO tariffs… We continue to urge UK and EU negotiators to work collaboratively towards an orderly balanced Brexit that will continue to encourage mutually beneficial trade.”

 

I tend to beleive what Nission says 

 

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Britain First leader Paul Golding convicted of terror offence

 

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Far-right leader refused to give police access to his devices after being stopped at Heathrow Airport while returning from Russia

The leader of far-right organisation Britain First has been convicted of a terror offence.

 

Paul Golding refused to hand police the passwords to his phone or laptop while being stopped at Heathrow Airport in October.

 

He and senior members of Britain First were returning from a trip to Russia, where they carried out media interviews and visited the parliament building in Moscow.

 

Westminster Magistrates’ Court heard that the group were stopped by Metropolitan Police officers under Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act.

 

Golding, 38, refused to give the pin codes for an iPhone and Apple computer and was later charged with wilfully refusing to comply with a duty under the law.

He denied the charge but was found guilty of the offence following a trial on Wednesday.

 

Chief magistrate Emma Arbuthnot ruled there was “no doubt” that Golding had failed to comply with requests for information, despite his obligations being explained to him and being warned “over and over” that if he did not he risked arrest.

 

 

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Why is it always Russia with the neo-fascists? Are they all just in the market for vodka and caviar?

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12 hours ago, El Jeffo said:

Why is it always Russia with the neo-fascists? Are they all just in the market for vodka and caviar?

 

Pop Quiz:    Which behavior is neo-fascist or simply fascist?

 

A.   Demanding PINs and/or passwords for electronic devices from citizens returning from trips abroad under threat of arrest

 

B.   Visiting Russia.

 

El Jeffo and Wulfwrong:    Б

 

:lol:

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Ever tried to visit China without handing over your device to border officials after which you are waiting for them to return with your device half hour later? 

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Playing pittypat with Putin is really fun right up until you find out you're going to have to live there forever. Ask Snowden.

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18 hours ago, yesterday said:

The web site says in the tex

 

Nissan has denied the claims, with a spokesperson for its European operation stating: “We deny such a contingency plan exists. We’ve modelled every possible ramification of Brexit and the fact remains that our entire business both in the UK and in Europe is not sustainable in the event of WTO tariffs… We continue to urge UK and EU negotiators to work collaboratively towards an orderly balanced Brexit that will continue to encourage mutually beneficial trade.”

 

I tend to beleive what Nission says 

 

 

Who knows these days, yesterday.  I guess we will just have to wait and see. 

 

But even if it is true, I hardly expect them to plaster it all over their website before they have officially told the peeps involved. 

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11 minutes ago, john_b said:

The Höllenfeuer of Brexit are burning brightly... :D

It looks like there's somewhere between 98 and 100 twats in that image. What a coinkydink.

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A no-deal Brexit amid the pandemic would be disgraceful


From the FT...

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The UK government is, it seems, set on ending its post-Brexit transition without a deal at the end of this year. This would seem inconceivable if the government were not led by Boris Johnson. The idea seems to be that, in the midst of the pandemic, nobody would notice the additional disruption imposed by an overnight break in economic relations with the country’s most important partners and eternal neighbours.

Here are seven reasons why this is a disgraceful idea.

 

First, it is not what the Leave campaign actually promised. The country was repeatedly told it would be easy to secure an excellent free trade agreement, because it held “all the cards”. A no-deal exit is far from such a deal.

 

Second, the notion of some economists that Brexit would lead to unilateral free trade has also proved a fantasy. The UK has published a tariff schedule that is far from free trade. This was predictable (and predicted). The political economy of trade and the need to preserve some tariffs for use as negotiating chips in future trade deals made this outcome almost inevitable.

 

Third, the UK is breaking its word. In order to reach his exit deal last October, Mr Johnson agreed that Northern Ireland would remain in the EU’s customs area and single market. But standard customs and regulatory checks must be imposed in the Irish Sea if the EU’s customs area and single market is not to be vulnerable to transshipment via the UK. Either Mr Johnson does not understand this, which would be stupid, or he does, which means he has wittingly lied.

 

Fourth, the political declaration accompanying October’s exit agreement stated that: “Given the Union and the UK’s geographic proximity and economic interdependence, the future relationship must ensure open and fair competition, encompassing robust commitments to ensure a level playing field . . . In so doing, they should rely on appropriate and relevant Union and international standards, and include appropriate mechanisms to ensure effective implementation domestically, enforcement and dispute settlement (my emphases).” Thus, EU demands were known and accepted by the UK.

 

Fifth, the globalising world economy assumed by Leave in the referendum campaign no longer exists. The world trading system is under mortal threat, given the breakdown in relations between the US and China and the neutering of the World Trade Organization in both its judicial and legislative functions. A “global Britain” will not emerge, but one seeking crumbs from the tables of more powerful trading powers, themselves engaged in vicious squabbling.

 

Sixth, we are in the grips of a pandemic-induced depression of vast magnitude and unknown duration. It is a good bet that, at the end of 2020, the UK economy will still be very depressed, with damaged businesses and frighteningly high unemployment. That would hardly be a good time to add to the shocks already crippling the economy.


Finally, the longer-run outcomes of the pandemic will probably include permanently lower output, as happened after the financial crisis of 2007-08. Over and above that will now come a huge trade shock from an ultra-hard Brexit. The consensus of professional opinion is that the lost trade opportunities would lead to substantial long-term reductions in levels of productivity and output. These losses will now add to the losses from the pandemic.

 

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Did you read the small print, @Wulfrun?

 

Do actually read what you post? 

 

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Or maybe you got permission? 

 

:D

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