Brexit: The fallout

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This thread is quiet.   

 

Who would have predicted that a global pandemic and the threat of many fatalities, i.e. a true crisis would cause @murphaph to stop predicting that the Brexit driven end is near?

 

It has been funny to see the BBC and Guardian instruct their readers not to panic over COVID-19 after attempting to scare the daylights out of everyone with anti-Brexit fear-mongering.  

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Is it not obvious why it has gone quiet? Brexit is on the back burner while people concentrate on not killing themselves and their neighbours.

 

Sheesh. Critical thinking skills not really required here.

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3 hours ago, balticus said:

This thread is quiet.   

 

Who would have predicted that a global pandemic and the threat of many fatalities, i.e. a true crisis would cause @murphaph to stop predicting that the Brexit driven end is near?

 

It has been funny to see the BBC and Guardian instruct their readers not to panic over COVID-19 after attempting to scare the daylights out of everyone with anti-Brexit fear-mongering.  

Yes Kind of like ignoring the fact your toaster is broken when your house is on fire. 

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1 minute ago, Keleth said:

Yes Kind of like ignoring the fact your toaster is broken when your house is on fire. 

7 minutes ago, kiplette said:

Sheesh. Critical thinking skills not really required here.

 

The point is COVID-19 is a real crisis.   Brexit never was.   There was more doomsterism out of the TT regulars in the face of the fake crisis.   

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31 minutes ago, balticus said:

 

The point is COVID-19 is a real crisis.   Brexit never was.   There was more doomsterism out of the TT regulars in the face of the fake crisis.   

 

Balticus, there are plenty of people for whom it did have the potential to be a real crisis, and for some it still does. Under a no deal, there would have been low-income Britons living in Europe who would have lost their health insurance due to the loss of S1 for example. 

 

Now, you may be one of those fortunate people in an ivory tower that can channel their inner Marie Antoinette and say "let them pay for their own!", whilst lacking the empathy to realise that for people with no money, the loss of S1 is indeed a crisis.

 

 

The other potential crisis still, is the one of Britons who are in a situation where they need to return to the UK to look after ill family members, but who will not be able to bring their EEA partner over. Splitting up families could also be considered a crisis.

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On 3/28/2020, 12:19:00, Mackle said:

Balticus, there are plenty of people for whom it did have the potential to be a real crisis, and for some it still does.

Everything is relative!

However, everything is also inter-related:

EU citizens in UK at risk of becoming illegal as coronavirus response prioritised

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/29/eu-citizens-uk-risk-becoming-illegal-coronavirus

 

...and let's not consider how many medical staff are affected or have already left the UK in recent years a la Brexit which will have left the NHS in a worse situation as before!

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7 minutes ago, murphaph said:

Brexit has not happened ...

 

Guess again, Murphy. 

 

Brexit: All you need to know about the UK leaving the EU  (BBC 17.02.20)

 

Quote

What is Brexit?


Brexit - British exit - refers to the UK leaving the EU.

 

The UK formally left the EU on 31 January 2020, but there is still a lot to talk about and months of negotiation to come.

 

Good morning. 

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2 hours ago, Mackle said:

 

I would imagine that what he means is that Britain is still in the single market and the customs union, still has regulatory alignment right now, and freedom of movement still applies until the end of the year.

I.e. all the things that Brexiters claimed were ruining everyone's lives. Farage, BoJo et. al. described this version of events as somewhere between "Not Brexit!" and "BETRAYAL!" depending on what you read, or at least they did when it was Theresa May's idea.

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Because of the current situation, with a very high economic reduction, BREXIT will just be noise.

 

ie if Virus reduces the economy by 10 % 

and BREXIT was expected to reduce the economy by 0.7 per year.

 

Then the BREXITERS, the true ones will want to leave at the end of the year without a deal and just blame the Virus for the economic fall out.

 

 Unfortunaly, its will give them a way out.

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Maybe, or maybe just as things are getting better Brexit derails the recovery. That won't be so easy to cover over.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Dembo said:

I.e. all the things that Brexiters claimed were ruining everyone's lives. Farage, BoJo et. al. described this version of events as somewhere between "Not Brexit!" and "BETRAYAL!" depending on what you read, or at least they did when it was Theresa May's idea.

 

During the referendum campaign, he was Nigel "We can be like Norway!" Farage. Then when the negotiations started he became Nigel "No deal is better than a bad deal" Farage and managed to successfully retcon his Norway comments out of history as far as his supporting base are concerned.

 

A bit like with Donald Trump, it seems that instead of people feeling hoodwinked or mislead, it makes them even more passionately support and defend the person who has been caught out. 

 

As much as I dislike him, at least John Redwood was clear that he didn't want Norway or Switzerland or anything else that had strong EU-ties, during the parliamentary debate in 2015 about the referendum

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1 hour ago, yesterday said:

Unfortunaly, its will give them a way out.

 

I think you are probably right.

 

By the way, it's hard to see your TT name without hearing a particular Beatles track in my head :P

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12 minutes ago, Mackle said:

 

I think you are probably right.

 

By the way, it's hard to see your TT name without hearing a particular Beatles track in my head :P

 

yeah I no, maybe it was even related at the time I joined - now I cannot even remember why I picked that name - why did you pick yours

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34 minutes ago, Mackle said:

 

 

 

By the way, it's hard to see your TT name without hearing a particular Beatles track in my head :P

Yellow Submarine ?

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34 minutes ago, Mackle said:

 

By the way, it's hard to see your TT name without hearing a particular Beatles track in my head :P

 

I like the Beatles too!

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58 minutes ago, Mackle said:

 

I think you are probably right.

 

By the way, it's hard to see your TT name without hearing a particular Beatles track in my head :P

Simon and Garfunkel!🙏🏻 Oder?

 

 

 

 

Mackle! You youngster, you!🙏🏻😂

You can‘t get the staff!💋😂

 

 

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54 minutes ago, john g. said:

You socialist youngster, you!

THIS is your Beatles song!😂

 

https://youtu.be/BGLGzRXY5Bw

 

 

 

well actually, your posted link is one of my favorite beatles songs Revolution, produced well after there sit down and listen phase of the beatles - its straight rock and roll.

 

I am pretty sure the beatles song yesterday was the reason for my user name, but it was a long time ago so I not sure

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