Brexit: The fallout

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4 minutes ago, murphaph said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/CorbynistaTeen/status/1230202817442439168

 

Priti Patel said today anyone earning less than £25k is an “unskilled worker” & can’t enter the UK

 

NHS starting salaries:

Nurse £24.2k

Paramedic £24.2k

Midwife £24.2k

Radiographer £24.2k

Care assistant £17.6k

Physiotherapist £24.2k

Therapist £24.2k

 

This isn’t going to work.

 

 

And just what skill has she got apart from pissing people off.

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10 minutes ago, murphaph said:

Priti Patel said today anyone earning less than £25k is an “unskilled worker” & can’t enter the UK

 

Don't worry yourselves, just wait until HF delivers a convincing explanation as to why that's absolutely right. ;)

 

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18 minutes ago, murphaph said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/CorbynistaTeen/status/1230202817442439168

 

Priti Patel said today anyone earning less than £25k is an “unskilled worker” & can’t enter the UK

 

NHS starting salaries:

Nurse £24.2k

Paramedic £24.2k

Midwife £24.2k

Radiographer £24.2k

Care assistant £17.6k

Physiotherapist £24.2k

Therapist £24.2k

 

 

 

I agree with her. They are obviously all underpaid and the NHS should increase the starting salaries.

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1 hour ago, engelchen said:

 

Those are the requirements in Germany for qualified personnel. However, even in Germany there are many people who work privately (very often under the table) without any qualifications. The choice is not always between qualified or not, but rather between untrained and no assistance at all.

 

Does the UK have the same standards? I'm really curious how they'll manage to fill these positions and how long they need to train people.

The UK use to rely on trained nurses rather than trained elderly care workers. A number use to be RMN's (registered mental nurse) because they were trained in all forms of mental health issues and so were able to deal with dementia cases. As of now I don't know. As here they have unqualified care assistants as well as basic training for care workers. Whilst a lot of places use untrained carers in Germany that were trained on the job that is changing. For example where I work, 85% of the staff have a formal qualification. The MDK who assess and certify care homes here have changed the criteria and have become stricter in their assessments.

 

59 minutes ago, murphaph said:

I don't think anyone was being disrespectful to care workers. Quite the contrary in fact. These are difficult jobs that I expect will be extremely difficult to replace if lower paid EU labour is not an option. I simply don't see your average leave voter whose job was "stolen" by a Romanian being prepared to do this work.

 

 

I'm afraid Murph I get well pee'd off when people talk about wiping arses. That sort of statement shows complete ignorance of the skills and ability that a carer requires to do the job they do. It's adding insult to the injustice of being poorly paid for what is a very physically and mentally demanding job. It is only now in Germany that new regulations concerning minimum wage for care workers have been brought in. That has happened because there is such a shortage. I think in RLP there is something like 20,000 unfilled positions for both Carers and Nurses, But let's face it, who would want to work on something like 10€ an hour for weekend work, shift work, nights and Bank Holidays and the job whilst mainly carried out by women is very family unfriendly.

 

Here's an indication of the responsibility carers have. Try sorting out people's medication ensuring they have the correct dosage for the time of day when there are 3 people with Dementia who aimlessly walk in and demand your attention and then a colleague comes in and says a resident has fallen other and needs Hospitalisation. One error with the drugs and someone could die, but you know, it's only wiping arses.

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2 minutes ago, engelchen said:

I agree with her. They are obviously all underpaid

 

You mean they are obviously all underskilled!

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The new immigration rules also require migrants to the UK to be able to speak English on arrival.

 

"Well of course they should" some here will say, but how many of us could speak German on arrival here? I couldn't hold more than a very basic conversation and would not have been able to work through German when I first came. I'm sure I'm not alone.

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Just checked on Priti's skills.

 

After graduating, Patel became an intern at Conservative Central Office (now known as Conservative Campaign Headquarters), having been selected by Andrew Lansley (then Head of the Conservative Research Department).[20] From 1995 to 1997, Patel headed the press office of the Referendum Party, a single-issue Eurosceptic party.[19]

In 1997, Patel left to join the Conservative Party having been offered a post to work for the new leader William Hague in his press office, dealing with media relations in London and the South East of England.[21] In August 2003, the Financial Times published an article citing quotes from Patel and alleging that "racist attitudes" persisted in the Conservative Party, and that "there's a lot of bigotry around".[22] Patel wrote to the FT countering its article stating that her comments had been misinterpreted to imply that she had been blocked as a party candidate because of her ethnicity.[23]

In 2000 Patel left the employment of the Conservative Party to work for Weber Shandwick, a PR consulting firm.[24] According to an investigative article published by The Guardian in May 2015, Patel was one of seven Weber Shandwick employees who worked on British American Tobacco (BAT) – a major account. The team had been tasked with helping BAT manage the company's public image during the controversy around the Burma factory being used as source of funds by its military dictatorship and poor payment to factory workers. The crisis eventually ended with BAT pulling out of Burma in 2003. The article went on to quote BAT employees who felt that though a majority of Weber Shandwick employees were uncomfortable working with them, Patel's group was fairly relaxed. The article also quoted internal documents specifying that a part of Patel's job was also to lobby MEPs against EU tobacco regulations. She worked for Weber Shandwick for three years.[25]

Patel then moved to the British multinational alcoholic beverages company, Diageo, and worked in corporate relations between 2003 and 2007.[26] In 2007, she rejoined Weber Shandwick as Director of Corporate and Public Affairs practices. According to their press release, during her time at Diageo, Patel had "worked on international public policy issues related to the wider impact of alcohol in society."[27]

 

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So only skilled in lying and Bullshitting then

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7 minutes ago, murphaph said:

The new immigration rules also require migrants to the UK to be able to speak English on arrival.

 

"Well of course they should" some here will say, but how many of us could speak German on arrival here? I couldn't hold more than a very basic conversation and would not have been able to work through German when I first came. I'm sure I'm not alone.

 

More to the point, how many english people can speak english? 

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5 minutes ago, dom said:

 

More to the point, how many english people can speak english? 

Sovren'ee innit!

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13 minutes ago, French bean said:

Just checked on Priti's skills.

 

After graduating, Patel became an intern at Conservative Central Office (now known as Conservative Campaign Headquarters), having been selected by Andrew Lansley (then Head of the Conservative Research Department).[20] From 1995 to 1997, Patel headed the press office of the Referendum Party, a single-issue Eurosceptic party.[19]

In 1997, Patel left to join the Conservative Party having been offered a post to work for the new leader William Hague in his press office, dealing with media relations in London and the South East of England.[21] In August 2003, the Financial Times published an article citing quotes from Patel and alleging that "racist attitudes" persisted in the Conservative Party, and that "there's a lot of bigotry around".[22] Patel wrote to the FT countering its article stating that her comments had been misinterpreted to imply that she had been blocked as a party candidate because of her ethnicity.[23]

In 2000 Patel left the employment of the Conservative Party to work for Weber Shandwick, a PR consulting firm.[24] According to an investigative article published by The Guardian in May 2015, Patel was one of seven Weber Shandwick employees who worked on British American Tobacco (BAT) – a major account. The team had been tasked with helping BAT manage the company's public image during the controversy around the Burma factory being used as source of funds by its military dictatorship and poor payment to factory workers. The crisis eventually ended with BAT pulling out of Burma in 2003. The article went on to quote BAT employees who felt that though a majority of Weber Shandwick employees were uncomfortable working with them, Patel's group was fairly relaxed. The article also quoted internal documents specifying that a part of Patel's job was also to lobby MEPs against EU tobacco regulations. She worked for Weber Shandwick for three years.[25]

Patel then moved to the British multinational alcoholic beverages company, Diageo, and worked in corporate relations between 2003 and 2007.[26] In 2007, she rejoined Weber Shandwick as Director of Corporate and Public Affairs practices. According to their press release, during her time at Diageo, Patel had "worked on international public policy issues related to the wider impact of alcohol in society."[27]

 

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So only skilled in lying and Bullshitting then

Who wouldn't want this delightful woman as Home Secretary?!

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34 minutes ago, French bean said:

 As here they have unqualified care assistants as well as basic training for care workers. Whilst a lot of places use untrained carers in germany that were trained on the job that is changing. For example where I work, 85% of the staff have a formal qualification. The MDK who assess and certify care homes here have changed the criteria and have become stricter in their assessments.

 

Does the MDK have enough staff to properly assess the care homes? I recently heard from someone I know who used to work in the government department for overseeing assisted living centers (that get money from the government for providing spots) and they (the government department) didn't have the capacity to actually ensure that institutions had sufficient staff. But then again I live in a failed state :( , I hope it is better controlled in you neck of the woods.

 

34 minutes ago, French bean said:

I'm afraid Murph I get well pee'd off when people talk about wiping arses. That sort of statement shows complete ignorance of the skills and ability that a carer requires to do the job they do. It's adding insult to the injustice of being poorly paid for what is a very physically and mentally demanding job.

 

Although I agree with you that care workers are not appreciated by many, I also think that the basic responsibilities and tasks are enough to keep many people from considering it as a career.

 

34 minutes ago, French bean said:

It is only now in Germany that new regulations concerning minimum wage for care workers have been brought in. That has happened because there is such a shortage.

 

On a more positive note, there is also a new initiative to reduce the number of agency workers working as carers in order to have more continuity for the patients (and the additional benefit of more stable jobs for the workers).

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43 minutes ago, murphaph said:

The new immigration rules also require migrants to the UK to be able to speak English on arrival.

 

"Well of course they should" some here will say, but how many of us could speak German on arrival here? I couldn't hold more than a very basic conversation and would not have been able to work through German when I first came. I'm sure I'm not alone.

 

First of all I actually did speak about C1 German before I moved here.

 

More importantly, I don't think that it is unreasonable that migrant workers are expected to speak English on arrival. Basic English skills are not difficult to acquire and not knowing English will be a barrier to many jobs. Keep in mind that not everyone works in IT. Even in Germany it is difficult for foreigners who speak English but not German to find positions outside of IT.

 

What I found really interesting is that it is possible for researchers with a STEM PhD to get a work visa for salaries under 25k. Does the government really think that PhDs in high tech fields are going to move to the UK for that salary?

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7 minutes ago, engelchen said:

 

Does the MDK have enough staff to properly assess the care homes? I recently heard from someone I know who used to work in the government department for overseeing assisted living centers (that get money from the government for providing spots) and they (the government department) didn't have the capacity to actually ensure that institutions had sufficient staff. But then again I live in a failed state :( , I hope it is better controlled in you neck of the woods.

MDK is funded by the Krankenkasse not the state, it's in their interest to ensure that things are done properly. I believe it stands for Medizine Dienst Krankenkasse

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1 minute ago, French bean said:

MDK is funded by the Krankenkasse not the state, it's in their interest to ensure that things are done properly. I believe it stands for Medizine Dienst Krankenkasse

 

It is the Medizinischer Dienst der Krankenversicherung.

 

I know who they are. I'm just curious of whether or not they are properly staffed.

 

Theoretically, if the assisted living centres are not sufficiently staffed they are entitled to less money. It is in the state's interest to make sure the private companies providing these services do it properly, the state just don't have the resources to do so.

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3 hours ago, Krieg said:

 

I already tried to explain it.  Go and read it again.  

I just find it hard to believe that you believe that if prices rise from one year to the next it has no effect on the inflation figures. Why not have a look at the various inflation calculators online? It could help.

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1 hour ago, RenegadeFurther said:

I just find it hard to believe that you believe that if prices rise from one year to the next it has no effect on the inflation figures. Why not have a look at the various inflation calculators online? It could help.

Look you made an error in conflating higher prices and inflation. Australia has higher prices but doesn't have high inflation.

 

If the UK policy results in elevated wages then the likelihood is that the costs will be passed directly on and prices for those goods and services would rise to compensate in a one time event leading to permanently higher prices in the UK for these things. There would be some effect on the inflation rate in that "adjustment year" but it would not lead to permanently higher rates of inflation.

 

 

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