Brexit: The fallout

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11 hours ago, Wulfrun said:

The only question mark against the award is the injury of innocent bystanders, as many people voted against Brexit or abstained, and they are going to suffer through no fault of their own. However, the scale of cock-up involved here has persuaded the awards committee to make an exception.

 

 

I fail to see how people who abstained are going to suffer through no fault of their own.

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1 hour ago, Keleth said:

What exactly was the raw deal ?

 

Why did Britain lose control of its own EEZ?

“When Britain joined the European Economic Community in 1973, the introduction of the common fisheries policy (CFP) and a shared EEZ for the whole of the EU was largely based on existing patterns of fishing, which tended to favour continental fishermen who had stayed closer to home. In extreme cases that meant, for example, that the quota share for cod in the English Channel favoured French fisherman over British by nine to one.

 

The UK government was seen as too weak to negotiate more favourable splits based on the actual stocks of its fish. It still has exclusive access to waters less than six miles from the coast”.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/mar/23/britains-fishing-fleet-and-brexit-promises-key-questions-answered

 

The EU’s betrayal of Britain’s fishing industry

“From French wineries to the German automotive industry, it is clear other member states do all they can to protect important sections of their own economy and heritage, while British politicians willingly give away one of our own.

 

As the United Nations Law of the Sea states: “The exclusive economic zone shall not extend beyond 200 nautical miles from the baselines”. Yet Britain’s fishing rights have now been reduced by the EU to a mere 12 miles.”

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/6092/the_eu_s_betrayal_of_britain_s_fishing_industry

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, White Rose of Yorkshire said:

 

The UK government was seen as too weak to negotiate more favourable splits based on the actual stocks of its fish. It still has exclusive access to waters less than six miles from the coast”.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/mar/23/britains-fishing-fleet-and-brexit-promises-key-questions-answe

And there you go.

Blame laid firmly at the feet of the govt.How times has the govt let people down and the blame is put at the feet of the EU.

If you have a govt that won`t fight for its country in negotiations then whose fault is that ?

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So if they now get the right to go fishing further off the coast whom do they sell the fish to? Export it to EU which would mean adhering to EU standard? Would that mean fishes having to be single packed in plast...oh wait that was one of the reasons to leave so we will export the fish too ahm eh oh uh... you will fix it.

Then lowering environmental standards and workers rights will be advantageous to... well certainly not the wider public. Some may remember history lessons on industrialisation were not exactly painting a picture of happy lifes of workers.

Will you stay within Brussels post Brexit or go to UK make sure you are getting the full advantage of this new post Brexit heaven?

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Actually it seems that the UK imports 2/3 of the fish it requires.  And it imports twice as much as it exports.

 

The article says that if there is no agreement that the cost of UK caught fish would fall, but the cost of imported fish would rise.  So the consumer might have higher prices for some fish while the earnings for British fishermen would actually go down.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/apr/24/hard-brexit-would-mean-more-and-cheaper-british-fish-but-theres-a-catch

 

And there are only 12,000 fishermen in the UK with a turnover of 1 Billion GBP.   

So it is hardly a large industry!

 

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20 hours ago, Keleth said:

Who was responsible for Windrush scandal ?

 

Boris Johnson? :lol:

 

20 hours ago, Keleth said:

Oh and what do you think of the Conservatives helping Flybe despite it being owned by Virgin which is 49% owned by Delta (only the 2nd richest airline in the world) ?

 

I think that the Conservatives allowing Flybe to defer £100 in air duty payments is fantastic. It safeguards the airline (for now) and safeguards jobs. Gives them some time.  

 

But if it goes tits up, it goes tits up and the government shouldn't be throwing taxpayers' money at non viable businesses. That cunt O'Leary from Ryanair already said that Ryanair would pick up the capacity but I guess that is horseshit, they would cherry pick the landing slots, and leave the less profitable routes.  That would be at odds with PM Johnson's pledge to connect communities to help investment. 

 

Just one further point on this. You would be happy if the Government did nothing, and Flybe failed,  because it would give you a chance to complain about the bastard Tories not trying to save jobs.

 

 Whatever the Tories did you would have your knickers in a twist.

 

That's a fact! 

 

20 hours ago, Keleth said:

Please go ahead explain this good deal. What exactly is rather good about it ?

 

I've already posted a link to a BBC article about what the government has set up to accommodate Johny Forigner. No one is getting turfed out if they have a bonafide reason to be in the UK. The timeline for applications is generous, too. Read the info instead of asking me to repeat myself. 

 

Also, can you let me know if the EU is reciprocating? Since you are so worried about humanity (and not just a grumpy expat-OAP bumping his gums and worrying about saving his own sorry arse

 

20 hours ago, Keleth said:

So no one knows the exact terms but it will be an overall win for the UK ?

Explain please as no one knows the exact terms how you know it will be an overall win for the UK ?

 

That's correct! 

 

The EU's share of global trade is decreasing and is forecast to decrease. Europe has shrunk as a % of the world economy. 

 

The EU has shrunk as a percentage of the world economy   (Full Fact check website) 

 

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Better to be footloose and fancy free than shackled to the EU. The EU accounts for about 15% of the world market, the UK is positioning itself to make deals with the other 85% Like I say, once free, the UK can decide its own future. 

 

 

20 hours ago, Keleth said:

What exactly was the raw deal ?

They had the 2nd biggest quota of all EU nations.

The fishing industry was used by Farage and the Brexit party but the last thing most UK fishermen want is an immediate ban on EU boats in their waters.The Scottish fishing industry will go tits up if that happens as their business relies heavily on exporting to the EU.

But hey winners and losers eh,who cares about the Scottish fishermen despite them being the straw man Brexiters used.

 

The question has been answered to which you have frothed, Tories.  Yes, it was Boris's fault in 1973!  :lol:

 

Fishing is a bargaining chip in the negotiations.  So stop wetting yourself.

 

Nice to see that you managed to shoehorn Farage in there too. Good skills, mate. 

 

 

 

20 hours ago, Keleth said:

And it`s a worrying crux especially this bit...

But hey once again winners and losers eh.

 

Are you suggesting the UK had no safety standards before the EU?  A lot of the UK standards were actually taken over by the EU. 

 

Furthermore, remember (to name but a few) :

and let's not forget the fucking diesel scandal that has killed god knows how many people prematurely! 

 

Ignorance is bliss for you, Keleth. 

 

20 hours ago, Keleth said:

I didn`t donate but I wasn`t responsible for it happening.

That was guess who ?

 

Boris Johnson? :lol:

 

(Apparently, he was seen running away with a box of matches. A taxi driver told me!

 

20 hours ago, Keleth said:

Which will cost more which will be passed on to end consumers.

But winners and losers eh.

 

The EU is protectionist for the EU. Fair enough. If you want to import paprika from outside the EU you have to pay high tariffs as they want to protect the EU paprika market. 

 

So now we are free we can import from, say Africa (for example), at a cheaper price. You should actually read how bad the EU is for Africa, mate. It's not the benevolent Uncle that you seem to think it is. 

 

20 hours ago, Keleth said:

When do you expect Brexit to actually start making a profit for the UK ?

 

When we leave. Because we haven't left yet or is that not the mantra that you remaniacs spout to suit your cause?  :lol:

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19 hours ago, White Rose of Yorkshire said:

...in 1973...

 

13 hours ago, Keleth said:

And there you go.  Blame laid firmly at the feet of the govt.

 

You make me laugh, kidda! 

 

:lol:

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, hellfire99 said:

So now we are free we can import from, say Africa (for example), at a cheaper price. You should actually read how bad the EU is for Africa, mate. It's not the benevolent Uncle that you seem to think it is. 

 

You may wish to ask Stavros also... :lol:

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12 hours ago, Wherearewegoingto said:

So if they now get the right to go fishing further off the coast whom do they sell the fish to? Export it to EU which would mean adhering to EU standard? Would that mean fishes having to be single packed in plast...oh wait that was one of the reasons to leave so we will export the fish too ahm eh oh uh... you will fix it.

 

Fishing is gonna be part of a deal, you dimwit.  It's not the only thing on the negotiating table. 

 

12 hours ago, Wherearewegoingto said:

Then lowering environmental standards and workers rights will be advantageous to... well certainly not the wider public.

 

Can you tell us about this lowering of environmental standards, please?  Where have you got this information from?

 

12 hours ago, Wherearewegoingto said:

Some may remember history lessons on industrialisation were not exactly painting a picture of happy lifes of workers.

 

Let me guess, in your mind's eye the UK looks like a Lowry painting?

 

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Well done stupid!

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Of course I forgot. Brexit was only for being able to raise the standards far beyond the EU requests.

Souring abusive words instead of fair discussion. Very educated. Go on. I can ignore it 

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27 minutes ago, hellfire99 said:

Can you tell us about this lowering of environmental standards, please?  Where have you got this information from?

 

6 minutes ago, Wherearewegoingto said:

Of course I forgot. Brexit was only for being able to raise rhe standards far beyond the EU requests.

 

Go on then, tell us! 

 

Also, while you are here, I asked you a question on the sexual abuse thread. But you seem to have shied away from answering. Could you furnish me with an answer, please? 

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51 minutes ago, Wulfrun said:

I want one!

 

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Boris bog brush :lol:

 

I'll see your meme and raise you 1000 financial firms opening in the post Brexit UK. 

 

A thousand EU financial firms plan to open UK offices after Brexit  (Reuters) 

 

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LONDON (Reuters) - More than a thousand banks, asset managers, payments companies and insurers in the European Union plan to open offices in post-Brexit Britain so they can continue serving UK clients, regulatory consultancy Bovill said on Monday.

 

The new offices and staff will help mitigate the loss of business going the other way as the current unfettered two-way direct access between Britain and the EU comes to an end in December following a Brexit transition period.

 

As a first step, the companies, who until now have been able to serve UK customers directly from their home base, have applied for temporary permission to operate in Britain after Jan. 31 when the UK leaves the bloc, Bovill said, using figures obtained from Britain’s Financial Conduct Authority.

 

“These figures clearly show that many firms see the UK as Europe’s premier financial services hub,” said Michael Johnson, a consultant at Bovill.

 

I'm sure no one here would begrudge those jobs coming to the UK (apart from Keleth).  ;) 

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OK, admittedly them experts at the IMF predicted a recession if we vote to leave the EU.

 

IMF predicts stable growth after Britain's exit from EU

 

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The International Monetary Fund’s job is to worry about the state of national economies, to spot trouble on the horizon and, in extremis, provide support to countries who struggle in the form of emergency loans.

 

The IMF’s assessment of the UK prospects over next two year is relatively upbeat.

 

It predicts that growth will “stabilise” at 1.4% in 2020 and 1% in 2021, weak by UK historical standards but growth none-the-less and stronger growth than the IMF is predicting for Germany, France and Japan.

 

Ouch!  But then again, what do experts know. ;) 

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On 1/19/2020, 11:28:06, Keleth said:

Funnily enough they`re worried but the new wonderful UK economy has absolutely no reason to worry that 45% of total UK exports are to the EU ?

You forgot to answer this

11 hours ago, hellfire99 said:

Fishing is gonna be part of a deal, you dimwit.  It's not the only thing on the negotiating table.

One of the things that was a driving force for Brexit in coastal towns is now a "bargaining chip".

11 hours ago, hellfire99 said:

Just one further point on this. You would be happy if the Government did nothing, and Flybe failed,  because it would give you a chance to complain about the bastard Tories not trying to save jobs.

Nope just amused that something along the lines of socialism is seen as good by so many Torys this time.

 

9 hours ago, hellfire99 said:

The new offices and staff will help mitigate the loss

Do you know what the word mitigate means ?

11 hours ago, hellfire99 said:

When we leave. Because we haven't left yet or is that not the mantra that you remaniacs spout to suit your cause?  

Nope just thought because you know all the plans you would let us know when the new independent UK will be good for Britain.

Didn`t your hero Rees Mog say it could be 50 years ?

11 hours ago, hellfire99 said:

Let me guess, in your mind's eye the UK looks like a Lowry painting?

In the days of the industrial revolution it looked a lot worse.

11 hours ago, hellfire99 said:

Are you suggesting the UK had no safety standards before the EU?  A lot of the UK standards were actually taken over by the EU. 

And are you suggesting the UK is going to improve their safety standards now they`re out of the EU ?

Or workers rights ?

 

 

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