Brexit: The fallout

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Arguments don't win elections anymore, personalities do, or rather salesmen with the gift of the Gab

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3 hours ago, French bean said:

Arguments don't win elections anymore, personalities do, or rather salesmen with the gift of the Gab

 

Rather sad isn't it...

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On 15.12.2019, 14:20:38, French bean said:

Incidentally, anyone heard anything from Farage or the Brexit Party?

 

He was quoted in the German media as "putting Boris under pressure" not to have a "soft Brexit".

 

But as long as the media (not only the German one) give him a platform...

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Jeremy Corbyn has written on Facebook and Twitter "Our time will come". Noticed a comment online saying that it's an IRA slogan. According to Wikipedia, the Irish Republican slogan "Tiocfaidh ár lá" translates as "Our day will come".

 

Is this just an unfortunate coincidence and/or cluelessness by someone who apparently didn't recognise anti-Semitism in an anti-Semitic mural or is it a metaphorical fist in the air in solidarity with fellow socialists?

 

From the Sinn Fein online shop:

 

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Tiocfaidh Ár Lá T-shirt

€19.99

Tiocfaidh Ár Lá T-shirt

"Tiocfaidh ár Lá" is the Irish for "Our Day Will Come"

It has become the defiant slogan of the Irish Republican movement. First popularised by Bobby Sands.

 

 

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41 minutes ago, Lorelei said:

Is this just an unfortunate coincidence

 

Its an unfortunate conincidence despite his well known friendship with the IRA, he isnt stupid enough to use their slogans knowingly.

 

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Tony Blair has reacted to Labour's debacle with a speech excoriating Jeremy Corbyn. The link below includes a video clip from his speech and another of an interview with ex Labour MP Mary Creagh, who gives an impression of barely contained anger.

 

Blair attacks Corbyn's 'comic indecision' on Brexit

 

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Labour "pursued a path of almost comic indecision" over Brexit during the election and "alienated both sides of the debate", Tony Blair has said. In a speech in London, the ex-PM said he believed the party could have kept much of the vote in traditional Labour areas under a different leadership. The situation was "made impossible by failure to take a clear position and to stick to it", Mr Blair said. "The result has brought shame on us. We let our country down," he added.

 

Jeremy Corbyn told MPs on Tuesday that he "took responsibility" for Labour's worst electoral performance, in terms of seats won, since 1935. He has said he will stand down as leader "early next year". But he was criticised to his face by Labour colleagues, with former MP Mary Creagh saying the lack of a personal apology showed he was a "man without honour and without shame".

 

In his speech, ex-Labour leader Mr Blair - a longstanding critic of the party's move to the left under Mr Corbyn - said: "I believe with different leadership we would have kept much of our vote in traditional Labour areas. "Instead, we pursued a path of almost comic indecision - alienated both sides of the debate." And he said the party should never have fallen into the "Elephant trap" of agreeing to a "Brexit election" without a clear position on Brexit and with a leader who had a "net approval rating of minus 40%".

 

Mr Blair said "it would have been better" if Mr Corbyn had just said he was pro-Brexit, in line with his longstanding Euroscepticism. "When things are really tough in politics, you might as well do what you believe in, because at least you'll be more convincing defending it," he said. ...

 

Mr Corbyn personified "a brand of quasi-revolutionary socialism - mixing far-left economic policy with deep hostility to Western foreign policy" - and that this combination "never has and never will" appeal to traditional Labour voters, he argued. And the far-left "protest movement" which was born out of Mr Corbyn's leadership was supported by "cult trimmings" and was "utterly incapable" of being voted in as a "credible government". ...

 

He also hit back at Mr Corbyn's claim that Labour's policies were popular, arguing that individual policies, such as renationalising the railways, may have been popular but taken together, the party's manifesto was a "100-page wish list". "Any fool can promise everything for free - but the people weren't fooled," he added. ...

 

 

Another interview with Mary Creagh:
Jeremy Corbyn is a narcissist, says former Labour MP

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I have to agree with Tony. The only people enjoying this are the Tories, however, they now have to come up trumps and can't blame anyone else because they've already been in power since 2010. But who can Labour elect as the new leader that will unify the party and kick out Momentum and the other Dinosaurs?

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10 minutes ago, French bean said:

I have to agree with Tony. The only people enjoying this are the Tories, however, they now have to come up trumps and can't blame anyone else because they've already been in power since 2010. But who can Labour elect as the new leader that will unify the party and kick out Momentum and the other Dinosaurs?

 

That's certainly borne out by George Osborne's face at 0:35 here, as another angry ex Labour MP speaks:

Former Labour MP Alan Johnson blames ‘worse than useless’ Corbyn for shocking exit poll

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1 hour ago, French bean said:

I have to agree with Tony. The only people enjoying this are the Tories, however, they now have to come up trumps and can't blame anyone else because they've already been in power since 2010. But who can Labour elect as the new leader that will unify the party and kick out Momentum and the other Dinosaurs?

Everything will be blamed on the delay "getting Brexit done" and the EU.

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