Brexit: The fallout

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On 12/10/2019, 7:25:37, emkay said:

Cringe!  Latest Conservative campaign ad...

 

 

Why is he asking that she is lying to her husband about who is there? Cause women are easier to deceive? Her husband might help her see through the scam? AARGGHH. 

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I don't think it's that deep - it's just a very bad parody of a scene from a movie. 

 

the irony of it is the original scene involves a man revealing his feelings to a woman he can never have because she is already happy with someone else ;) 

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Brexit will not get done by 2021, EU chief negotiator admits in leaked recording that blows hole in Boris Johnson promise

 

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Brexit trade negotiations cannot be finished in the timeframe claimed by Boris Johnson, the EU's chief negotiator has privately admitted – blowing a hole in the prime minister's big election promise to "get Brexit done".

 

In a leaked recording obtained by The Independent, Michel Barnier tells a private meeting that the UK's 11-month timetable to wrap up trade talks by 2021 is "unrealistic" and suggests negotiations will drag on until long after the end of next year.

 

"With regards to this agreement, we will not get everything done in 11 months. We will do all we can – we won’t do it all," Mr Barnier can be heard telling a group of senior MEPs at the closed meeting in the EU capital this week.

 
The recording sparked consternation from Mr Johnson's critics back in the UK, with the prime minister accused of "lying to voters" about Brexit and "playing the British public for fools" by opposition parties.

Mr Barnier, who was recently reappointed to lead the next round of Brexit talks for the EU side, told the meeting: “It is unrealistic that a global negotiation can be done in 11 months, so we can't do it all. We will do all we can to get what I call the 'vital minimum' to establish a relationship with the UK if that is the time scale."

 

He added that without a further extension of EU rules and regulations to Britain one or two years there would be another "cliff-edge" that could see Britain crash out on WTO rules.

 

"If there is no extension, we will still have a few months to achieve what I would describe as the minimum necessary for the economy and security or to prepare for a cliff-edge," the chief negotiator said – adding that the decision would have to be taken by the government in June, just over six months from now.

 

"Either we have a trade agreement or we will be in the WTO framework. We can’t take contingency measures on trade to give us more time … If there’s no deal, it is a cliff edge for trade."

 

 

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Joke for today: Get brexit done :lol:

 

EU to spell out plans for potentially years more Brexit talks on day after general election, leak shows

 

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EU leaders will spell out their plans for potentially years more Brexit talks on the day after the general election, a leaked internal documents seen by The Independent shows. 

 

Far from "getting Brexit done", as Boris Johnson's campaign slogan would have it, the leaders are set to warn of a new ticking clock with a fresh round of negotiations strongly resembling the last three years.

 

In a striking deja vu, the leak shows the leaders are to confirm that Michel Barnier will reprise his role as chief negotiator, that there would be no side deals with individual member states, and that the issue would come to a head at a string of make-or-break EU summits.

 

A new no-deal cliff edge would also see the UK potentially leave without a trade agreement to replace the EU's single market at the end of 2020 – with possible extensions, as now.

 

The EU's 27 presidents and prime ministers will meet in Brussels for a summit on election day, when they will formally confirm the plans, which have already been drawn up by diplomats and officials behind the scenes.

 

If previous summits are a guide, the final version is likely to be published either late on December 12 after the close of polls in the UK, or the next day, December 13. Downing Street has already confirmed Mr Johnson will not attend the meeting to focus on the election. 

 

The leaked draft European Council conclusions seen by The Independent, which are marked as classified information level "LIMITE" or restricted, say that "negotiations should be organised in a way that makes the best possible use of the limited time available for negotiation and ratification by the end of the transition".

 

The transition period is set to end next December but is extendable for years beyond that with the consent of the EU. The Government says it will not extend the transition, but has also said this prior to every extension of Brexit negotiations and always extended them.

 

It could take up to 7 years...

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Just imagine the constitutional fun if, say , Jeremy and Boris both lose the popular constituency vote and are not reelected as MPs!

 

I read somewhere today a Prime Minister doesn’t necessarily have to be an MP.. if memory serves me right, Tory MP Douglas-Home  in the 60s lost his constituency vote but became Prime Minister.

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Exit poll shows massive Tory landslide. Labour worst result since before the war.

 

If correct then Brexit will happen in January.

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2 hours ago, murphaph said:

Exit poll shows massive Tory landslide. Labour worst result since before the war.

 

If correct then Brexit will happen in January.


I’m not surprised. The impression that I have got from England (not so much Scotland and certainly not NI) is that there   is a very large section of society who wanted Brexit to happen, who despised Gina Miller, and who take great pleasure in the misfortunes of those who are going to be hit really hard (such as “traitors” who moved to EU countries and claimed S1 healthcare). 
 

I think British society is broken - cases in point, Iain Duncan Smith on Question Time when asked about a diabetic who had recently died after his refrigerated medication went bad due to his power being cut off when his DWP benefits were wrongly stopped, answered by saying that people in the country were more concerned about the economy and no one can criticise the DWP over this, got a standing ovation. 
 

Kwarsi Kwartang on Breakfast TV left Polly Toynbee gobsmacked when dismissing a newspaper story about the plight of a terminally ill person by instead saying “the most important thing is the economy, it’s our responsibility to put it first and do whatever we have to make it stronger”, and a few months later is the campaign leader for BoJo’s leadership campaign. 
 

The poorest, those living in poverty, those will severe illness or disability, and those who are either immigrants or could be mistaken for immigrants, seem to be held in such contempt.  Has the UK always secretly been like this? Was I just naive?

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3 hours ago, Mackle said:

... that people in the country were more concerned about the economy ...

 

“the most important thing is the economy, it’s our responsibility to put it first and do whatever we have to make it stronger”, ...

 

How ironic, that they are pushing forward with Brexit which is probably the worst thing possible for the economy!

 

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Well. EU poll had shown already that a massive number of voters were learning towards Brwxit. Its hurting me to loose this country but @Mackle put the question right and I think Ive found my answer to it.

You made your bed now lie in it.

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Merkel will need to make concessions to Boris or face carmageddon.

 

Boris is a doophus who needs a haircut, but he played his hand very well.

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4 minutes ago, balticus said:

Merkel will need to make concessions to Boris or face carmageddon.

 

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What concessions and why?

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