Brexit: The fallout

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9 minutes ago, balticus said:

 

What if he does not ask for an extension?  

 

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Well that is the 64k dollar question!

 

He says he will obey the law, but won't ask for an extension so I guess we will see.

 

As @Smaug says

11 hours ago, Smaug said:

 

My take is that he's still counting on the EU chickening out by then and removing the backstop. I think he miscalculates how afraid the EU is of the UK leaving without a deal.

 

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7 minutes ago, dj_jay_smith said:

He says he will obey the law, but won't ask for an extension so I guess we will see.

 

Which is seemingly an oxymoron which he refuses to address. Interview from the BBC yesterday.

 

 

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LK: MPs though haven't just threatened to extend, MPs have changed the law to try to stop you taking the UK out without a deal at the end of October.

How do you propose to get round that? Because you keep saying you've got no intention of delay...

BJ: I won't. Here's, here's what I want. I will uphold the constitution, I will obey the law, but we will come out on 31 October.

LK: But how if MPs have changed the law to stop you doing that?

BJ: We're going to come out on 31 October and it's vital that people understand that the UK will not extend.

We won't go on remaining in the EU beyond October. What on earth is the point? Do you know how much it costs?

LK: But how will you do that if MPs have changed the law to stop you?

Are you looking for a way round the law? Because that's what it sounds like...

BJ: We will obey the law but we will come out - and - we will come out I should say on 31 October.

LK: But that means you are looking for a way round the law.

I mean, to be really clear about this, Parliament has changed the law to make it almost impossible to take us out of the EU without a deal at the end of October. But you say that you will not do it.

That means that you must be looking for a way around the law?

BJ: Well, you know those are your words. What we're going to do is come out on 31 October deal or no-deal. And staying in beyond 31 October completely... crackers.

 

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Can he be removed from office if no request for extension is filed by the 19th?

 

Is it possible (not plausible) that Boris continues his road show and on October 18 basically goes incommunicado or disappears with the intention of doing nothing?    Even if he faces prison, would there be any way to avoid Brexit?

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There is this Nobile Officium concept in Scottish law that could see Lord Carloway of the Inner House of the Court of Session deliver the note on behalf of the PM if Johnson refuses to do so and he has been ordered to do so by the courts. I suspect even he would resign rather than run the risk of being prosecuted for misconduct in public office, which carries a possible life sentence!

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Perhaps somebody should tell Mr Redwood that one of the shareholders in Thames Water is Stichting Pensioenfonds Zorg en Welzijn.

Or the fact that Buxton Mineral Water is owned by Nestle, Highland Spring's owner is from the UAE and Coca Cola owns Malvern.  Just saying ... ...

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Luxembourg Prime Minister Xavier Bettel taking part in a press conference with Boris Johnson, The Invisible Sulk.                        

 

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18 minutes ago, hooperski said:

Perhaps somebody should tell Mr Redwood that one of the shareholders in Thames Water is Stichting Pensioenfonds Zorg en Welzijn.

Or the fact that Buxton Mineral Water is owned by Nestle, Highland Spring's owner is from the UAE and Coca Cola owns Malvern.  Just saying

There are now 12 water companies, out of the 23 in the UK, which have foreign owners not including the proposed Severn Trent deal with US-based Morgan Stanley and UK-based Infracapital. Water should never have been privatised :angry:

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Does BoJo  have the intestinal fortitude to go forward if the outcomes for him are

 

1.   prison for failure

2.   unpopularity in the short term followed by admiration within 2 generations.

 

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17 hours ago, Wulfrun said:

Water should never have been privatised :angry:

 

...is correct. It belongs to all. 

 

Is anyone old enough to remember when the Water Board was a utility organisation not a torture?

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10 minutes ago, murphaph said:

It appears the man child does not actually understand what the single market and customs union are.

 

https://twitter.com/kevinhorourke/status/1174207198140030977

 

A PM can't be an expert on everything (although one could argue that he should know this much better).

 

But what the hell kind of "expert advisors" does he have that don't know this?  

 

 

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36 minutes ago, dj_jay_smith said:

But what the hell kind of "expert advisors" does he have that don't know this?  

No plural here needed. Dominic Cummings is the expert running the show.

Scanning this guy's wiki CV sent a shiver down my spine! After graduating in Ancient,modern history at Oxford, he went straight to russia, working there for 4 years and since returning to the UK has spent his entire life campaigning against the EU. What a sad bastard! I wonder if hellfire99 is his alias??:rolleyes:

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1 minute ago, dom said:

No plural here needed. Dominic Cummings is the expert running the show.

Scanning this guy's wiki CV sent a shiver down my spine! After graduating in Ancient,modern history at Oxford, he went straight to russia, working there for 4 years and since returning to the UK has spent his entire life campaigning against the EU. What a sad bastard! I wonder if hellfire99 is his alias??:rolleyes:

 

I know he is one of them.  But there should be multiple with different specialities.

And there should also normally be a whole army of experts they can call upon if needed from various departments, universities, etc. etc. for very specialised knowledge (although they of course should not advise, just share knowledge).

 

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47 minutes ago, dom said:

What a sad bastard!

 

I guess I could rephrase that to: what an obvious Putin cronie!

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2 hours ago, dj_jay_smith said:

But what the hell kind of "expert advisors" does he have that don't know this?  

They consist of Arron Banks, Rupert Murdoch and all the other greedy tory owners

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