Brexit: The fallout

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The reality of what could happen hit home for me and my family in January. We visited Derry for a few days and had an uneventful time there. A week after we had returned home to Germany a car bomb was detonated at a spot we had walked past (with my young son) at approximately the same time in the evening a week before. Watching the CCTV footage was pretty eerie.

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On 8/23/2019, 10:51:10, RenegadeFurther said:

 

 

I wanted the vote of no confidence on 10th Sept. it will now be in Oct. She should have stayed out and let Parliament remove BoJo.The Tory rebels will now hold off.

 

If the Tory rebels genuinely want to stop Johnson and his idiocy, they will ignore Merkel's 30 day offer (which was just to humour Johnson). 

They need to put party differences behind them, just to stop this idiot Johnson. Just support anyone who can command a majority in Parliament. Anyone will do. Even Corbyn. 

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On 8/23/2019, 10:51:10, RenegadeFurther said:

 

 

I wanted the vote of no confidence on 10th Sept. it will now be in Oct. She should have stayed out and let Parliament remove BoJo.The Tory rebels will now hold off.

 

If the Tory rebels genuinely want to stop Johnson and his idiocy, they will ignore Merkel's 30 day offer (which was just to humour Johnson). 

They need to put party differences behind them, just to stop this idiot Johnson. Just support anyone who can command a majority in Parliament. Anyone will do. Even Corbyn. 

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Us pensioners who haven't worked or paid nat.ins.in Europe look like we're really getting shafted by a No Deal. Loss of reciprocal healthcare looming. Just imagine the same happening to pensioners back in Britain who'd paid nat. insurance and taxes all their working lives. There would be uproar. 

The problem is we're all too nice. I've a good mind to forward all my health invoices to the Whitehall Dept. 

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7 hours ago, murphaph said:

The reality of what could happen hit home for me and my family in January. We visited Derry for a few days and had an uneventful time there. A week after we had returned home to Germany a car bomb was detonated at a spot we had walked past (with my young son) at approximately the same time in the evening a week before. Watching the CCTV footage was pretty eerie.

 

Was this event viewed as a political act, an isolated incident by an individual or group working alone, organized crime, or some other explanation?

 

Years ago, The Economist speculated that the GFA was positive, but that some of the financing of the Irish Republicans had been basically generated through organized crime and that the GFA would not put an end to what was a very lucrative cashflow.   The thuggery would continue even without a veneer of political justification. 

 

Do the people responsible for the current violence and/or the people who are projected to initiate violence if a secured border goes up have popular support ?

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The bomb was political. It was outside the Crown Court. They do not have popular support but neither did the IRA at the height of the troubles. Certainly not universal support anyway.

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10 hours ago, alexunterwegs said:

If the Tory rebels genuinely want to stop Johnson and his idiocy, they will ignore Merkel's 30 day offer (which was just to humour Johnson). 

They need to put party differences behind them, just to stop this idiot Johnson. Just support anyone who can command a majority in Parliament. Anyone will do. Even Corbyn. 

 

The press have called it "Meatloaf Remainerism". 

 

"I would do anything to stop No Deal Brexit, but I won`t do that."

 

 

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14 hours ago, murphaph said:

I'm certainly not trying to be incendiary. Could you give me an example of something you feel is so?

10 hours ago, murphaph said:

 

 

1 hour ago, murphaph said:

The bomb was political. 

 

Source?

 

What does "political' mean now?

 

Absolute statements with no qualifiers.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Kommentarlos said:

Absolute statements with no qualifiers.

Pot, meet kettle.

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Britain can easily cope with no-deal Brexit, claims Boris Johnson

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Britain could “easily cope” with a no-deal Brexit, which would be the fault of EU leaders’ “obduracy”, Boris Johnson claimed at the summit of G7 countries in France, as he continued to resist mounting pressure to spell out his own plans for breaking the deadlock.

“I think we can get through this, this is a great, great country, the UK, we can easily cope with a no-deal scenario,” Johnson insisted in Biarritz, as he made his debut on the international stage as prime minister with a series of bilateral meetings with world leaders including Donald Trump, the EU council president, Donald Tusk, and the Indian prime minister, Narendra Modi.

Johnson said preparations for no deal were being ramped up to help secure an agreement, but also “so that if and when we are forced by the obduracy by our European friends to come out on 31 October without a deal that things are as smooth as they can possibly be”.

Johnson claimed food shortages – one of the risks outlined in the leaked Operation Yellowhammer documents on no-deal planning – were “highly unlikely”, and offered a “guarantee” that patients would be able to access medicines unhindered.

The prime minister said that in the event of no deal the UK would withhold much of the £39bn financial settlement agreed by Theresa May – and insisted it was up to the EU27 to avert that eventuality.

“If we come out without an agreement it is certainly true that the £39bn is no longer, strictly speaking, owed,” he said. “There will be very substantial sums available to our country to spend on our priorities. It’s not a threat. It’s a simple fact of reality.”

 

Well if the UK can cope so easily, why are the 'government' preparing for civil unrest and martial law. Johnson is living in cloud cuckoo land, he should be escorted to the nearest padded cell... and throw away the key!

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2 hours ago, El Jeffo said:

Pot, meet kettle.

 

Sure. Should I have a problem with that?

 

Many posters come to TT to flog their goods or services or alternatively their agendas (political, religious, race based, gender based, etc). 

 

As the potential customer, or consumer, of such communications, do I not have the right to ask for clarification?  Should I start flogging goods and services or launching an agenda of my own I would be happy to receive requests for clarification. 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Kommentarlos said:

 

 

Source?

 

What does "political' mean now?

 

Absolute statements with no qualifiers.

 

 

You want me to post a source for everything I write? I am pretty sure you don't do that and it's not something I am about to start doing. It's a discussion forum, not a court of law in fairness.

 

"Political" in a NI context means the crime was related to NI's constitutional position. The IRA hunger strikers were fighting for "Political status", for example.

 

The "New IRA" claimed responsibility for that particular bombing. It's a matter of public record. It was pretty obvious even without and before the claiming of responsibility that a bomb planted outside a courthouse in NI would be political. As someone who grew up watching RTE, BBC Northern Ireland and Ulster Television it was a reminder of the old days when courthouses were regularly the target of IRA bombs. Courthouses still look like this in NI in places:

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@54.8286233,-7.4631987,3a,75y,89.41h,86.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5yaspLjh35c8za1o7c4yvQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

 

They are not fortified like that for a laugh.

 

I still don't know what your problem is to be honest. 

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37 minutes ago, murphaph said:

You want me to post a source for everything I write? I am pretty sure you don't do that and it's not something I am about to start doing. It's a discussion forum, not a court of law in fairness.

 

Have you considered starting a blog entitled "all the things I hate about the English"?  No sources required. The "discussion" can be on your terms only, You can continue to express your amusement with regards to "the great english downfall " as often as suits. No response required. 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Kommentarlos said:

 

Have you considered starting a blog entitled "all the things I hate about the English"?  No sources required. The "discussion" can be on your terms only, You can continue to express your amusement with regards to "the great english downfall " as often as suits. No response required. 

 

 

So that's what this is all about. It's not about my posting style or lack of references. It's because I dare to criticise England. The downfall won't just be of England. The fallout due to this largely English decision will extend across the entire UK and Ireland and also reach into continental Europe. I expect the immediate impact on my country will be large scale job losses, especially in border regions. I will not be amused.

 

I don't hate the English by the way. I hate Brexit, this Brexit that is attempting to steam roll the GFA out of its way. That Brexit is largely an English construct is not my doing.

 

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OK, but Boris is right in one thing.

 

The house of commons, will not vote for the current WA, which includes the BACKSTOP

 

So Bros has to come up with an alternative

 

Either accept no-deal

Withdraw A50 ie Cancel BREXIT

Ask for an extension, to try and develope an alternative to the Backstop in NI.

 

All of which are un acceptable, but no-deal will come, if nothing else agreed

 

Agreed, this is going to hurt Eire the most, but everyone else involved is going to feel  some pain

 

 

 

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Actually it will hurt the UK the most and NI the most within the UK.

 

Ireland will be the next worst affected.

 

Johnson has (IMO) one option. A general election based on throwing the DUP under the bus and drawing a customs border down the Irish sea, as originally proposed by the EU. He needs a solid majority for this to overcome his own remain leaning MPs. It's not enough just to barely remove the dependence on the DUP.

 

I expect an election before Brexit.

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4 minutes ago, murphaph said:

Actually it will hurt the UK the most and NI the most within the UK.

 

Ireland will be the next worst affected.

 

Johnson has (IMO) one option. A general election based on throwing the DUP under the bus and drawing a customs border down the Irish sea, as originally proposed by the EU. He needs a solid majority for this to overcome his own remain leaning MPs. It's not enough just to barely remove the dependence on the DUP.

 

I expect an election before Brexit.

 

I expect Parliament to pass a law telling BoJo to go and ask for an extension.

 

The problem with a General election is that BoJo decides the timing. BoJo will not get 66% of MP`s to vote for a General election and Corbyn will fail in his vote no confidence. A general election will pave the way for No Deal. 

 

Legislation will be passed to prevent No Deal and we will just continue this merry go round.

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I expect we will return to simpler times where children played in the garden with cardboard boxes, families met up to play crown green bowls, food was plain but sustaining, a round in your local was as exciting as life could get. Could I get you a small sherry Marge as I am going anyway?

 

Obviously we will all be on a three day week, electricity blackouts and fuel shortages. However, when polled* many say that the 70's were in fact their preferred decade and they look forward / hark back (delete as appropriate) to simpler times and simpler pleasures. 

 

The world will continue to turn and we will all get over ourselves. 

 

*no source required. 

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