Brexit: The fallout

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46 minutes ago, murphaph said:

Trump is lying when he says there's a trade deal there for the UK after a hard Brexit. Surprise surprise.

 

It would be another area where he can claim that the Democrats had acted against him I guess

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So it looks like Merkel has decided to save BoJo and go for No Deal.

 

https://www.dw.com/en/brexit-did-merkel-set-a-30-day-irish-backstop-deadline/a-50130749

 

I really have no idea why she needed to do this (No wonder BoJo is happy).

 

Maybe about 9 days in September when No Deal Brexit can be stopped but instead we have Merkel suggesting that we should have 30 days. 

 

She has effectively pulled the rug from Hammond and the Gaukward squad to prevent No Deal.

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Merkel's 30 day remark was entirely (wilfully?) misinterpreted by the UK media.

 

She had to clarify her comment yesterday. 

 

Though Johnson is so stupid he accepted the challenge of producing the alternative arrangements to nullify the backstop within 30 days. The bullshit machine is already talking about cameras and trusted traders again.

 

No technology can inspect a truck load of cattle to see if they have foot and mouth.

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8 minutes ago, murphaph said:

Merkel's 30 day remark was entirely (wilfully?) misinterpreted by the UK media.

 

She had to clarify her comment yesterday. 

 

Though Johnson is so stupid he accepted the challenge of producing the alternative arrangements to nullify the backstop within 30 days. The bullshit machine is already talking about cameras and trusted traders again.

 

No technology can inspect a truck load of cattle to see if they have foot and mouth.

 

The remarks are enough to hold of a Tory rebellion. the remarks saved Johnson from a vote of no confidence in early September.

 

This is what BoJo wanted and this is what he got (something that would get some of the rebel Tories on side for a bit).

 

I am very surprised Merkel got involved like this knowing that the Gaukward squad were on the verge of bringing down their Government. now they will wit for 30 days to see if BoJo can come up with something.

 

By this time it will be too late to prevent No Deal.

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Frau Merkel is a grown up. It's hard to temper your language as if talking to children all the time.

 

We are entering the end game. The EU has said dozens of times now that the backstop stays. They are now politely saying "we're done here".

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13 minutes ago, murphaph said:

Frau Merkel is a grown up. It's hard to temper your language as if talking to children all the time.

 

A grown up who has just delivered No Deal. September should have been about Parliament stopping no deal brexit.  Merkel put paid to that

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7 minutes ago, murphaph said:

Stop blaming everyone except the UK and its system of government.

 

So you don`t accept Merkels comments made any difference to the dynamics of Parliament?

 

Merkel has effectively said that there are negotiations to be had in the next 30 days to eliminate the backstop. That is what her words sounded to me and probably to most of the Tory party.

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4 minutes ago, RenegadeFurther said:

Merkel has effectively said that there are negotiations to be had in the next 30 days to eliminate the backstop. That is what her words sounded to me and probably to most of the Tory party.

 

Maybe you are "listening" to the Leave translation of Merkel words.   

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7 minutes ago, RenegadeFurther said:

 

Merkel has effectively said that there are negotiations to be had in the next 30 days to eliminate the backstop. That is what her words sounded to me and probably to most of the Tory party.

 

That's not what it sounded to me. It sounded like what the EU has been saying forever: "if you show us the way to control the flow of goods between the EU and the UK without a border, we can talk about this; if not, the Backstop stays."

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Frau Merkel simply reiterated what the EU and especially the Irish government have been saying for months. The backstop is an insurance policy against no long term solution being found during the transition phase. If a long term solution can already be found the backstop would be null and void.

 

The UK usually got its way in any major EU decisions. It's not used to being in this position. They still can't quite grasp that Ireland is not being thrown under the bus. The UK's position in the world is being degraded. This is a Suez like moment in history but fully self inflicted.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49427674

 

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has suggested an alternative to the Irish border backstop - a key Brexit sticking point - could be found within 30 days.

 

"It was said we will probably find a solution in two years. But we could also find one in the next 30 days, why not?"

 

I don`t know about you but it sounds as if she has agreed to open up the negotiations on the backstop. This is exactly what BoJo needed.

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14 minutes ago, RenegadeFurther said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49427674

 

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has suggested an alternative to the Irish border backstop - a key Brexit sticking point - could be found within 30 days.

 

"It was said we will probably find a solution in two years. But we could also find one in the next 30 days, why not?"

 

I don`t know about you but it sounds as if she has agreed to open up the negotiations on the backstop. This is exactly what BoJo needed.

 

No, that's already part of the deal that was negotiated. If the solution is found in 30 days the backstop can go; not because there's a renegotiation, but because that's what the current deal already says.

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18 minutes ago, RenegadeFurther said:

 

I don`t know about you but it sounds as if she has agreed to open up the negotiations on the backstop. This is exactly what BoJo needed.

 

That's not what she said.  It is "If we find a solution then the backstop goes".  It has been like that since the beginning.

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6 minutes ago, Krieg said:

 

That's not what she said.  It is "If we find a solution then the backstop goes".  It has been like that since the beginning.

 

it is if "we", find a solution.

 

It was not if "you" find a solution.

 

Still sounds like a negotiation..

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1 minute ago, RenegadeFurther said:

 

it is if "we", find a solution.

 

It was not if "you" find a solution.

 

Still sounds like a negotiation..

 

It has been always a negotiation, because any solution to the border has to be accepted by both sides.   The EU has been actually very open to accept any solution, even technological ones, the problem is such technology does not exist yet.  But it is stil, you bring it and if it works then it is OK.   The backstop is there precisely because no one can think of a solution, maybe because there is none yet.

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4 minutes ago, Krieg said:

 

It has been always a negotiation, because any solution to the border has to be accepted by both sides.   The EU has been actually very open to accept any solution, even technological ones, the problem is such technology does not exist yet.  But it is stil, you bring it and if it works then it is OK.   The backstop is there precisely because no one can think of a solution, maybe because there is none yet.

 

The withdrawal agreement was supposed to be closed.

 

Doesn`t sound like it from Merkels statements. The very thing that BoJo wanted.

 

If a solution is found Merkel will open up the withdrawal agreement?

 

 

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You keep talking about "Merkel statements" check them again, she even came to say that what the UK media was reporting was wrong.

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1 minute ago, Krieg said:

You keep talking about "Merkel statements" check them again, she even came to say that what the UK media was reporting was wrong.

isn`t this what she said?

 

"It was said we will probably find a solution in two years. But we could also find one in the next 30 days, why not?"

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