Brexit: The fallout

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On 10/24/2018, 8:53:31, dom said:

This prediction is worrying, based on the fact it was made in June 2016! :unsure:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/brexit-change-europe-britain-us-politics-213990

“In five years, there will no longer be a United Kingdom” 
Richard Haass is the president of the Council on Foreign Relations.

Over the next five months, the UK will be poorer and we are likely to hear calls for referenda in several other EU countries. There will be a new prime minister, most likely Boris Johnson. Markets will largely have recovered elsewhere, although the slowing and weakening of the British pound will add to the economic woes of Japan, Europe, and beyond. If there is contagion that reaches the U.S., it will work against the political prospects of Hillary Clinton and in favor of those of Donald Trump.

In five years, there will no longer be a United Kingdom. Scotland will be independent and part of Europe. Less certain but quite possibly all or part of Northern Ireland will join Ireland. Several other countries will have left the European Union, which will then consist of a core Eurozone and an outer ring of countries with tailored ties to Brussels. References to the U.S.-UK “Special Relationship” will be increasingly rare and hollow, as the United States turns to partner with other countries in other regions.

 

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5 minutes ago, Wulfrun said:

 

Maybe BoJo needs to learn what the word "and" means. Here's the Paragraph 5(c) that's referenced:

 

 
 
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(c)  any interim agreement referred to in subparagraphs (a) and (b) shall include a plan and schedule for the formation of such a customs union or of such a free-trade area within a reasonable length of time.

 

This makes it perfectly clear that if come October 31 there's no deal there'll be no free trade between the UK and the EU. If the UK wants to continue having free trade with the EU there needs to be a "plan and a schedule" in place for a FTA, i.e. A DEAL. My interpretation is that the deal wouldn't necessarily need to be ratified by then, but there must be a plan for it. Right now, there isn't, the UK hasn't accepted the agreement.

 

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5 hours ago, Wulfrun said:

John Bercow interviewed on France 24

 

 

I found him very likeable in the interview, I must say.

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1 hour ago, john g. said:

I found him very likeable in the interview, I must say.

I too found JB likeable,  and the interview was very interesting. I hope he turns out to be our saviour.

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No-deal Brexit will cost £22bn a year to compensate businesses, landmark analysis reveals

 

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Exclusive: Boris Johnson claimed bill would be 'vanishingly inexpensive' - but study finds it would be more than half of England’s schools budget

The study, seen by The Independent, warns that industries including cars, chemicals, textiles and aircraft, as well as much of agriculture, would all need hefty bailouts from punishing new charges.

 

Its findings were immediately condemned as “shocking and devastating” by one former Conservative cabinet minister, who urged fellow MPs to rise up to stop no deal.

 
The £22bn figure will fuel criticism of Boris Johnson for his claim that the costs of leaving the EU without an agreement – as he has vowed to do on 31 October, if necessary – would be “vanishingly inexpensive”.

It also dwarfs the £6bn which his rival, Jeremy Hunt, has pledged to set aside for no-deal compensation, an offer covering fishing and farming only.

 

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I think the real fallout from Brexit has been to show us normal people that we do not live in a real democracy. It is all a facade.

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Although this probably belongs in one of the "jokes" thread it somehow reminded me of Brexit & the referendum:

 

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Politician Goes To Heaven ( it could happen...)

 

While walking down the street one day, a presidential candidate is tragically hit by a car and dies. His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance. “Welcome to heaven,” says St. Peter. “Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see a high-ranking official around these parts, you see, so we’re not sure what to do with you.” 

“No problem, just let me in,” says the politician. 

“Well, I’d like to, but I have orders from the higher-ups. What we’ll do is have you spend one day in hell and one in heaven. Then you can choose where to spend eternity.” 

“Really? I’ve made up my mind. I want to be in heaven,”
says the politician. 

“I’m sorry, but we have our rules.” And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell. The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a green golf course. In the distance is a clubhouse, and standing in front of it are all his friends and other politicians who had worked with him. Everyone is very happy and in evening dress. They run to greet him, shake his hand, and reminisce about the good times they had getting rich at the expense of the people. They then dine on lobster, caviar and the finest Champagne. Also present is the devil, who really is a very friendly guy and who is having a good time dancing and telling jokes. They are all having such a good time that before the politician realizes it, it is time to go. Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and waves while the elevator rises. The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens in heaven where St. Peter is waiting for him. “Now it’s time to visit heaven …” 

So, 24 hours pass with the politician joining a group of contented souls, moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a good time and, before he realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by and St. Peter returns. “Well, then, you’ve spent a day in hell and another in heaven. Now choose your eternity.” 

The politician reflects for a minute, then he answers: “Well, I would never have said it before — I mean heaven has been delightful — but I think I would be better off in hell.” So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell … Now the doors of the elevator open and he’s in the middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage. He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags as more trash falls to the ground. The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around his shoulders. 

“I don’t understand,” stammers the politician. “Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and clubhouse, and we ate lobster and caviar, drank Champagne, and danced and had a great time. Now there’s just a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable. What happened?” 

The devil smiles at him and says, “Yesterday we were campaigning, Today, you voted.”

 

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17 hours ago, john g. said:

I found him very likeable in the interview, I must say.

 

 

23 hours ago, Wulfrun said:

John Bercow interviewed on France 24

 

 

 

I found him quite likable too, and am I find the bedhead very charming! But I wonder, doesn't France24 have hair and make-up people??? :P

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8 minutes ago, Smaug said:

 

 

 

I found him quite likable too, and am I find the bedhead very charming! But I wonder, doesn't France24 have hair and make-up people??? :P

 

Looks fine to me. Knowing what I do of him, he would probably refuse hair and make-up.

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