Brexit: The fallout

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Any Brits planning on doing any international travel between now and April 12th?

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5 hours ago, yesterday said:

 

UK people do not want to pay the MP's all the money and then have to make the decisions themselves. But most people cannot be bother to investigate the issues - they pay the MPs to do that. 

 

But why on earth would they want another referendum if they cannot be bothered to think? What would the achieve?

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9 hours ago, RenegadeFurther said:

 

Brexit happened because the EU was unwilling to control its borders. The chain reaction regarding this decision has only just begun.

That brings us to the most idiotic part of Brexit: UK is open to commonwealth countries, but not to Europe??

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9 hours ago, dom said:

The only degree of freedom is age of the baby. That is not complex. Still it is not easy, because it is a moral judgment. But in the end the answer is simply a single value: number of weeks, ranging from zero to +40.

 

Brexit started as a yes/no question that had dozens of solutions proposed in the parliament just last week! This is even before diving into details!

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1 hour ago, Kommentarlos said:

 

But why on earth would they want another referendum if they cannot be bothered to think? What would the achieve?

 

Because there has been so much more information found, about this issue and so much more coverage in the press and TV

 

So people cannot help but know far more

 

I view it as if you buy a house in the UK, you make an offer - the seller accepts - then you send the serverour around he tells the house is crap - at that point you can cancel your decision to go ahead - a bit like BREXIT

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38 minutes ago, MikeMelga said:

That brings us to the most idiotic part of Brexit: UK is open to commonwealth countries, but not to Europe??

What do you mean open? Some commonwealth countries still need a visa.

 

In 2015 EU allowed anyone to come in without any controls whatsoever. Uk still has border control, the EU somehow in 2015 did not. 

 

Are you really comparing 2015 with the "UK is open to commonwealth countries"

 

Do you really believe that 2015 played no part in Brexit?

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37 minutes ago, MikeMelga said:

Brexit happened because the EU was unwilling to control its borders.

Quoting system vagaries aside ( It wasn't mikeMelga that posted that quote above )

 

THE FoM (Freedom of Movement) directive allows for the "old" countries to restrict the rights of migrants from "new" countries for up to 7 years. The powers vary from stopping migration completely or allowing only for selected categories of work on a work permit basis. In 2004 the UK choose not to use this option at all, when the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia and Slovenia joined. The UK was one of only 3 of the original EU members (UK, Sweden and Eire) to choose not to apply transitional restrictions on these eight countries.

 

EU CITIZENS MUST BE SELF-SUPPORTING. After 3 months in the UK EU migrants need to be either working, have a member of the family working or have sufficient funds to live (and have full sickness insurance). If not then they can be returned to their home country.

The UK does not register migrants as they arrive and as such has no way of knowing how long they have been in the UK. There are no efforts to track or control this movement. This once more allows the EU-skeptics to portray the FoM as "uncontrolled migration".

 

Theresa May was the home secretary dealing with Immigration from 2010.

If immigration was the cause of Brexit, then you know who to blame,

If it was the fear of immigration ( 70 million turks once Turkey joins the EU, you know who to blame there too .. looking at you Bojo )

If it was the fear of refugees, thank UKIP and farage and co

 

I've read some pretty stupid posts on TT in the past but that one takes the shite biscuit trophy.

 

 

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1 hour ago, MikeMelga said:

That brings us to the most idiotic part of Brexit: UK is open to commonwealth countries, but not to Europe??

 

Windrush obviously passed you by then ...

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27 minutes ago, LeCheese said:

Quoting system vagaries aside ( It wasn't mikeMelga that posted that quote above )

 

THE FoM (Freedom of Movement) directive allows for the "old" countries to restrict the rights of migrants from "new" countries for up to 7 years. The powers vary from stopping migration completely or allowing only for selected categories of work on a work permit basis. In 2004 the UK choose not to use this option at all, when the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia and Slovenia joined. The UK was one of only 3 of the original EU members (UK, Sweden and Eire) to choose not to apply transitional restrictions on these eight countries.

 

EU CITIZENS MUST BE SELF-SUPPORTING. After 3 months in the UK EU migrants need to be either working, have a member of the family working or have sufficient funds to live (and have full sickness insurance). If not then they can be returned to their home country.

The UK does not register migrants as they arrive and as such has no way of knowing how long they have been in the UK. There are no efforts to track or control this movement. This once more allows the EU-skeptics to portray the FoM as "uncontrolled migration".

 

Theresa May was the home secretary dealing with Immigration from 2010.

If immigration was the cause of Brexit, then you know who to blame,

If it was the fear of immigration ( 70 million turks once Turkey joins the EU, you know who to blame there too .. looking at you Bojo )

If it was the fear of refugees, thank UKIP and farage and co

 

I've read some pretty stupid posts on TT in the past but that one takes the shite biscuit trophy.

 

 

The UK checks passports and therefore it knows who is coming and who is not. How many people have gone underground in the EU? The EU have no idea who is in the EU and who is not.

 

Shouldn't you and fraufruit be discussing how much money you have made on the finance threads rather than trolling this thread. How many times have you both congratulated each other?

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The UK is not "an island". It shares a land border with another EU member state.

 

At present Ireland and the UK have a virtually identical immigration policy but post Brexit (assuming end of FoM) that will radically change as 400 million people will have continuing FoM in Ireland.

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10 hours ago, RenegadeFurther said:

The UK checks passports and therefore it knows who is coming and who is not. How many people have gone underground in the EU? The EU have no idea who is in the EU and who is not.

 

Shouldn't you and fraufruit be discussing how much money you have made on the finance threads rather than trolling this thread. How many times have you both congratulated each other?

 

This is  a private website, only the moderators can say who can post and about what, the owners of this website want to make money from it, you can see that from the adverts doted around it. The more the topics get a bit racy the more people will read and the more money the website owners will make from it. IF it offends you, you have the choice not to come here.

 

Anybody can come to whatever page they like and post in any topic, the moderators will intervene based on they rules, what ever they maybe.

 

You are posting here, and unless the moderator disallows it, you have no say here on what and who should post here, sorry if this not the socialist paradise world that you live in.

Even if I dis-agree, with what somebody writes here I still maintain they should be able to post here, if its not just directly insulting.  

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, yesterday said:

 

This is  a private website, only the moderators can say who can post and about what, the owners of this website want to make money from it, you can see that from the adverts doted around it. The more the topics get a bit racy the more people will read and the more money the website owners will make from it. IF it offends you, you have the choice not to come here.

 

Anybody can come to whatever page they like and post in any topic, the moderators will intervene based on they rules, what ever they maybe.

 

You are posting here, and unless the moderator disallows it, you have no say here on what and who should post here, sorry if this not the socialist paradise world that you live in.

Even if I dis-agree, with what somebody writes here I still maintain they should be able to post here, if its not just directly insulting.  

 

 

 

 

Take a chill pill.

 

I just made a suggestion. If she wants to follow then she can if  she doesn`t then I don+t really care.

 

What has it got to do with you anyway?

 

Just saying if you need TT to make you feel good about how much money you have then you are a fairly sad individual.

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Lets see 

 

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Brexit happened because the EU was unwilling to control its borders.

 

So, 17,140.742 voters (+1 ) were filling their nappies because the refugees were coming

 

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The UK checks passports and therefore it knows who is coming and who is not.

 

But but but, that means that the UK does control it's borders then and 17,140.742 voters did not need to be in a state of nappy filling fear as they would not get in.

 

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How many people have gone underground in the EU?

 

The UK does not register migrants as they arrive and as such has no way of knowing how long they have been in the UK. There are no efforts to track or control this movement. 

 

How many have gone underground in the UK?  damn migrants and refugees, we control our borders but lets Brexit to keep them all out. Nothing to do with the UK atall nosirree :wacko:

 

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Shouldn't you and fraufruit be discussing how much money you have made on the finance threads 

 

Damn us females, we can multitask quite fine 

 

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How many times have you both congratulated each other?

 

Three hundred and twenty one times to be precise, the burn, it hurts much? :lol:

 

Back on topic, 

 

Brexit: bill to prevent no-deal passes Commons by one vote

 

A cross-party group of MPs has forced through an emergency bill in less than six hours to instruct Theresa May to seek an extension to article 50 and avoid a no-deal Brexit, despite government opposition.

The bill, spearheaded by Labour’s Yvette Cooper and the Conservative Sir Oliver Letwin, passed late into the night, with MPs defeating a number of obstructive amendments from both Brexiters and the government.

It finally passed its third reading about half an hour before midnight by just one vote – 313 ayes to 312 noes – and must now pass the House of Lords.

 

Good luck with that, clock is still ticking

 

 

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13 hours ago, MikeMelga said:

That brings us to the most idiotic part of Brexit: UK is open to commonwealth countries, but not to Europe??

 

The theory is that britain can chose its relationship with commonwealth (and other) countries itself, but as part of the EU even without schengen it does not have that power.  

 

This is where a lot of non brits (and brits apparently) get confused.  Its not as some people keep saying about keeping brown people out, it is about control of the borders and being able to decide for example that indians are allowed in but swiss people are not.  Or vice versa.

 

I have even heard it argued (and to be honest I find it hard to disagree) that the freedom of movement is about allowing mostly white europeans access to the uk at the expense of non white non europeans, and that the brexiteers are more about the reverse (pro eu equals racist -- interesting angle on it).  But again this is a distraction from the fundamental idea which is about control of ones own borders and not per se refugees or skin colour.

 

Not surprisingly Im keep to keep my rights, and I dont see any good reason to prevent germans (or anyone esle for that matter) visiting or working in the uk.  After all Im one of the white middle class who can aford to ponce about in europe living it up and reaping the benefits not some unemployed guy in sunderland who feels betrayed (rightly or wrongly) by sucessive governments and the eu.

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20 minutes ago, LeCheese said:

 

 

The UK does not register migrants as they arrive and as such has no way of knowing how long they have been in the UK. There are no efforts to track or control this movement. 

 

 

 

 

But the UK can refuse them entry at the border if they suspect they will over stay their Visa. 

 

There is a difference can you see it yet?

 

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Brexit: Hammond opens up cabinet split by saying MPs should get vote on second referendum - live news

 

On ITV’s Peston show last night Philip Hammond, the chancellor, did his best to slam the idea back on the table. Arguing that MPs should get a vote on the proposition, he told the programme:

I’ve said it’s a perfectly credible proposition. Some ideas have been put forward which are not deliverable, they are not negotiable but the confirmatory referendum idea, many people will disagree with it, I’m not sure there is a majority in parliament for it but it’s a perfectly credible proposition and it deserves to be tested in parliament

 

 

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3 hours ago, RenegadeFurther said:

Take a chill pill.

come on RF! Poor "yesterday" doesn't know what you're like ;)

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