Mass shooting at shopping center in Munich

[dumbbell 15]

ehhhh, am I the only person who does not see any connection between Islam and this shooting case? 

 

it's simply af, he grew up as immigrant in a slum community and he was treated like a piece of shiet by the ppl around him and he probably didn't receive any recognition in his life. Do you think it will make any difference what kinda religion he follows?

If he was east european he'd probably join some mafia and steal cars? if he was viet he'd probably end up in some asian restaurant and help money laundrering? if he was english he'd probably end up as some hooligan?  

 

If I was him? I don't know what I would do thb...

[LisaJK 58]

Instead of 

15 minutes ago, black1 said:

I was already of the opinion that it is now time to at least think about starting to talk about restricting mass migration to the Syrian camps and asylum applications at German embassies. If the government does not start to move then they are handing the AfD a ticket, regardless of generations of the attackers.

 

Most of the mass migration is away from countries full of racial, religious and political corruption and bigotry, towards stable economically successful countries where these views and activities are an anathema. Therefore, rather than accepting, or even by their actions, promoting mass migration, shouldn't the more successful countries be trying to export their views, morals and success to those broken countries?

 

With mass migration from places like Syria, will come a whole range of people, some of whose views would be unacceptable to most of us. 1 axe murderer out of over a million is still 1 too many.

 

Difficult I know. Aid doesn't seem to work. Military intervention seems to make things worse, but something needs to be done, rather than just looking on and accepting the human tragedy.

 

Note that I'm not advocating termination of asylum migration, just that more effort needs to be put into solving the source of the problem rather than the result.

[LisaJK 58]

8 minutes ago, dumbbell said:

ehhhh, am I the only person who does not see any connection between Islam and this shooting case? 

 

it's simply af, he grew up as immigrant in a slum community and he was treated like a piece of shiet by the ppl around him and he probably didn't receive any recognition in his life. Do you think it will make any difference what kinda religion he follows?

If he was east european he'd probably join some mafia and steal cars? if he was viet he'd probably end up in some asian restaurant and help money laundrering? if he was english he'd probably end up as some hooligan?  

 

If I was him? I don't know what I would do thb...

 

As he's from an Iranian background, chances are he had some sort of religious influence during his upbringing, probably Islamic, which is IMO pretty radical even in moderate examples.

 

As someone who grew up in what is these days one of the most moderate of religious backgrounds (CofE), any religious influence during childhood has an affect. In my case it has been partially influential in making me a radical atheist (to coin a Dawkins title).

[desdemona 1,405]

Disgruntled, unhappy or simply mentally sick people are everywhere. The difference between then and now is that it seems more and more of these looneys came out of the woodwork and channel their grievances by fatally attacking the public.

Motives might vary slightly but the common thread is the inspiration they got from a previous attack to carry out their own. Terrorism used to be rare and random, but after 9/11 there have been more and more attacks in public, from organised terrorism to lone wolf attacks. 

There have to be more security control, more security personnel, more army and anti-terror teams, perhaps even some level of police state is not off the table at this point. Singapore for example, is lamented as a police state but the residents live safely and peacefully because of that. How many times I walked home alone at dawn and thought nothing of it. Now I would think twice to stroll in the city center in broad daylight! Wary of anyone who's covered up or with backpacks. This can't go on. The world has to be safer again for my children. 

[SA_Drone 757]

Police are now definitively saying that there is no connection to Islam and his actions. By all accounts it's shaping up more and more to be a Columbine-esque case of teenage angst.

[Guest]

Well although we are all scared of IS I don't think this had anything to do with this death cult.

 

It seems to have more in common with the Winnenden school shooting a few years back.

 

What angers me is that Angie was nowhere to be seen. She didn't have to say any concrete details as none were know, but she should have as leader been expressing sympathy for the victims. Other leaders, Obama, Hollande, even Boris the pisshead went on the telly. She has to resign, hell even Chris Evans went over a silly TV show.

 

 

[LisaJK 58]

Ban hand guns, no gun based Amoklauf in the UK since they did that. Farmers still have shotguns and dear stalkers still have rifles, but they are all closely monitored by the police. I know because a friend used to work for the UK police doing it.

[bramble 9,572]

Am watching the press conference at the moment and so far the police are treating this incident as a classic Amoklauf = killing spree. In his room they found material referring to killing sprees and a book titled "Amok im Kopf: Warum Schüler töten". He was also having treatment due to depression. The deed is not related to the refugee situation and they also rule out connections to ISIS. The perpetrator had a pistol Glock 17 though he didn't have a gun license. 

[Jay 13]

17 minutes ago, SA_Drone said:

Police are now definitively saying that there is no connection to Islam and his actions. By all accounts it's shaping up more and more to be a Columbine-esque case of teenage angst.

Seems he was obsessed with mass shootings from what they found in his room and possibly a link with Brevik (i.e. 5 years since that horrific event). Possible mental health issues and reports of bullying.

[bramble 9,572]

8 minutes ago, jeremy said:

What angers me is that Angie was nowhere to be seen. She didn't have to say any concrete details as none were know, but she should have as leader been expressing sympathy for the victims. Other leaders, Obama, Hollande, even Boris the pisshead went on the telly. She has to resign, hell even Chris Evans went over a silly TV show.

 

 

Not only you. 

Kein Wort von der Kanzlerin: Während Deutschland bangt, bleibt Merkel stumm

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Der Bundespräsident meldet sich zu Wort ebenso wie US-Präsident Obama und EU-Ratspräsident Tusk. Doch eine schweigt: Bundeskanzlerin Angela Merkel. Auch ihr Sprecher Seibert bleibt stumm. Gerade erst hat sie sich in den Urlaub verabschiedet. Es heißt, sie sei dennoch „im Dienst“. Doch zu diesem Dienst gehören am Freitagabend offenbar keine Worte für das Volk. Auch der Twitter-Account ihres Sprechers Steffen Seibert bleibt zunächst stumm. Viele Deutsche irritiert das. Auf Twitter häufen sich verwunderte oder kritische Kommentare.

 

 

She's apparently back in Berlin now and will be addressing the public at about 14:30. 

[dumbbell 15]

7 minutes ago, LisaJK said:

 

As he's from an Iranian background, chances are he had some sort of religious influence during his upbringing, probably Islamic, which is IMO pretty radical even in moderate examples.

 

As someone who grew up in what is these days one of the most moderate of religious backgrounds (CofE), any religious influence during childhood has an affect. In my case it has been partially influential in making me a radical atheist (to coin a Dawkins title).

 

 

back home i saw plenty ppl complain how violent the african ameraicans are, maybe not in public, but ppl do complain abt it. myself being told so many times some parts of the bay area are no-go places.

but here in germany i didn't experience any similar words as before. what happened?

the african americans in germany are mostly from military community and well-educated, in two words: the middle class. back home?

 

you guys could never image what does social class mean to a kid.

[SA_Drone 757]

17 minutes ago, jeremy said:

What angers me is that Angie was nowhere to be seen. She didn't have to say any concrete details as none were know, but she should have as leader been expressing sympathy for the victims. Other leaders, Obama, Hollande, even Boris the pisshead went on the telly. She has to resign, hell even Chris Evans went over a silly TV show.

 

 

 

She's speaking today at 14:30.

[black1 1,696]

It looks that way.

 

No connection to the refugee issue or to terror groups. It is a teen rampage and some of the sites say his classmates úsed to mob him and he said he would kill them. Daily Mail exclusive:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3704563/He-said-kill-Classmate-reveals-Munich-loner-mobbed-seven-years-bulling-school-promised-revenge-tormentors-one-day.html

 

However if the guy is shouting 'Allahu Akbar' whilst gunning down kids then, however, I would not say it has "definitely no connection to Islam".

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3704481/Loner-son-taxi-driver-department-store-worker-waged-terror-Munich-Iranian-German-teenager-18-targeted-innocent-children-gunned-nine-McDonald-s-massacre.htm

A witness with her son in the McDonalds gave her account of the shooting.

"Loretta said she had been in the restrooms at the same time as the shooter, with her eight-year-old son. As he started shooting, he yelled 'Allahu Akbar', she said."
 

After Köln I will listen to the witnesses very carefully as well as the police or the German and international newspapers are saying.

[gemini 2,074]

Interesting if he was being treated for depression.  If he was on SSRI meds, there is a known link to aggressive and suicidal *not sure on homicidal...issues with these meds in teens.  It is a black box warning in the States.

 

[SA_Drone 757]

2 minutes ago, dumbbell said:

 

 

back home i saw plenty ppl complain how violent the african ameraicans are, maybe not in public, but ppl do complain abt it. myself being told so many times some parts of the bay area are no-go places.

but here in germany i didn't experience any similar words as before. what happened?

the african americans in germany are mostly from military community and well-educated, in two words: the middle class. back home?

 

you guys could never image what does social class mean to a kid.

 

The issue is not race, it's poverty.

[SA_Drone 757]

1 minute ago, black1 said:

It looks that way.

 

No connection to the refugee issue or to terror groups. It is a teen rampage. 

 

However if the guy is shouting 'Allahu Akbar' whilst gunning down kids then, however, I would not say it has "definitely no connection to Islam".

 

 

I have searched and searched and the only source I can find for the Allahu Akbar thing was CNN. German media has nothing about it whatsoever. Nobody else picked up on that, which leads me to believe it was just someone talking out their ass and trigger-finger American media picked up on it.

[YoRambo 113]

A psycho pilot crashing a plane, a psycho person using knife  at a train station in southern bayern,  a psycho on a killing run in shopping mall... 

 

Problem may not be Islam but may lies somewhere else... Maybe how the society is developing here..  

[LisaJK 58]

4 minutes ago, dumbbell said:

you guys could never image what does social class mean to a kid.

 

Social class and social mobility in the US are orders of magnitude different to most western European countries, although the gap has narrowed in the UK, that is the social class gap has widened in the UK to become more like the US.

[black1 1,696]

1 minute ago, SA_Drone said:

 

I have searched and searched and the only source I can find for the Allahu Akbar thing was CNN. German media has nothing about it whatsoever. Nobody else picked up on that, which leads me to believe it was just someone talking out their ass and trigger-finger American media picked up on it.

 Here is the source. I added it above too.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3704481/Loner-son-taxi-driver-department-store-worker-waged-terror-Munich-Iranian-German-teenager-18-targeted-innocent-children-gunned-nine-McDonald-s-massacre.htm

[Porky Pine 1,566]

38 minutes ago, LisaJK said:

 

As he's from an Iranian background, chances are he had some sort of religious influence during his upbringing, probably Islamic, which is IMO pretty radical even in moderate examples.

 

As someone who grew up in what is these days one of the most moderate of religious backgrounds (CofE), any religious influence during childhood has an affect. In my case it has been partially influential in making me a radical atheist (to coin a Dawkins title).

@LisaJK: I guess it's human nature for those of us from the Western world to assume that people from an Iranian background, such as this 18-year-old nutjob, possibly had some sort of religious influence during his upbringing, maybe even Islamic. But that kind of thinking can also be flawed.

 

 I have a friend here in Munich. He is Persian, in his mid-60s, but has German citizenship. I use the word "Persian" because back when he fled the country, it was still called Persia. This man is one of THE finest people I have ever known. I would trust him with my life. He has absolutely no Islamic leanings, far from it. Actually, he's not very religious at all. He shakes his head at the way the radical Islamists are, to put it very mildly.  I shudder to think what the Persian community in Munich is feeling right now, knowing that they possibly have been brandmarked because of this 18-year-old German-Iranian wacko who went on a shooting spree.

My friend also has German-Iranian children, and I know for a fact that they didn't grow up with the slightest bit of Islamic religious influence here in Germany. They grew up in a normal German household, with all of the day-to-day cares and issues, and with lots of love from a German mother and a Persian father.

I guess I'm trying to say that we need to be careful here. People are people, and sometimes they act more like animals than people, and their background has nothing to do with their actions. Sometimes their background does figure highly in their actions, though, and that is another issue.

I would hate for some American nutjob to go on a rampage here, and have all of us Americans here in Germany to be judged unfairly based on the actions of someone with the same origin. I'd hate for some British wacko to do something similarly heinous and bring shame on the British expat community here. 
Actually, I probably stand a better chance of being a victim in the USA of some nutjob's desire to go out and have themselves a little ole shooting spree. Which is one of the many reasons I'm glad to be here.