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The Orlando Massacre

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5 minutes ago, RedMidge said:

 There is so much speculation on this. He may be a Muslim radical, he may also hate LGBT , he may just be  mentally disturbed, or reacting to a personal crisis.

We do not know. Yes,  if someone wants guns, they will get them, as we have seen in many countries.  Yes, US makes it easier to access firearms.

  Thoughts and prayers to those  involved.

 

" The incident is being investigated as an act of terrorism. Mir Seddique, Mateen's father, told NBC News, "this has nothing to do with religion." Seddique said his son got angry when he saw two men kissing in Miami a couple of months ago and thinks that may be related to the shooting. "

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orlando-nightclub-massacre/orlando-nightclub-shooting-emergency-services-respond-reports-gunman-n590446

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1 hour ago, hooperski said:

The race, religion, politics and name of the shooter are irrelevant. He shouldn't have had easy access to firearms. U S law made this possible.

A government spokesman said "We don't know why these shootings keep happening, we've tried literally nothing to stop it".

 

 

While I 100% agree with you that the whacky Fireams laws made it possible for this man to easily access them (and Reformations should have happened in the earlier millennia), the Religion part is still under investigation. And if Religion was his Motive, then of course it matters.

If that asshole did die expecting 70 virgins, then who's his father to say otherwise?

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Apparently more people (1.4 million) within the USA have been killed by firearms since 1968 than in all the wars from the War of Independence to the illegal Iraq war.

 

So much for the Second Amendment when a flintlock took 25 seconds to reload.   Isn't common sense ever going to prevail in the USA? 

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1 hour ago, AlexTr said:

"...Seddique said his son got angry when he saw two men kissing in Miami a couple of months ago and thinks that may be related to the shooting. "

Oh, well, that makes it OK then.  (Sarcasm alert!)

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22 minutes ago, Perfect Poise said:

 

Fifty dead and rising seems pretty fuckin' radical to me.

You are mixing two things - being a known radical Muslim and acting out his hate are two different things.

 

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12 minutes ago, katheliz said:

Oh, well, that makes it OK then.  (Sarcasm alert!)

Yeah, exactly. Always blaming the victims ...

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43 minutes ago, hooperski said:

Thus proving the fact that unbalanced people can easily get their hands on deadly weapons.

That is truth for ANY country.

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3 minutes ago, klubbnika said:

That is truth for ANY country.

 

It's blatantly obvious that it is easier in the USA than in (other) civilised countries.

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11 minutes ago, Clive2677 said:

 

It's blatantly obvious that it is easier in the USA than in (other) civilised countries.

Yep, it is easier in some countries than in the others. For example, it is very easy in Finland to obtain a license for firearms for hunting. Quite easy in Switzerland too. Piece of cake in Russia as well (OK, maybe Russia is not that civilized after all). And while I absolutely do not like those weapon laws in the US, they do have historical reasons for it. I also realize that people kill other people. Or men kill other people, to be exact. They do it either with guns or with something else.

The motives are important. Maybe if he was under surveilance a bit more, this wouldn't happen. But then you people object to the surveilance too...

 

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Yet gun violence in the USA, per capita, is amongst the highest in the "civilised" world.   Finland and Switzerland are doing something correct that the USA could learn from.

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2 minutes ago, Clive2677 said:

Yet gun violence in the USA, per capita, is amongst the highest in the "civilised" world.   Finland and Switzerland are doing something correct that the USA could learn from.

Probably fewer Muslims... ;)

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4 minutes ago, Clive2677 said:

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It doesn't say how many of the guns were obtained legally.

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23 minutes ago, klubbnika said:

It doesn't say how many of the guns were obtained legally.

Being slaughtered by legally owned guns makes a difference?

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If 50 people died from a single savage dog attack, added to the 13,000+ from the previous year, that breed would be banned.

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14 minutes ago, Clive2677 said:

Being slaughtered by legally owned guns makes a difference?

Of course! I am surprised you fail to see the difference. You were objecting to the easiness of LEGALLY getting a gun in the US, were you not?

 

Meanwhile, in Asia, Bangladesh and Pakistan, for example, explosives kill far more people than elsewhere. I bet they have very strict weapon laws.

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11 minutes ago, hooperski said:

If 50 people died from a single savage dog attack, added to the 13,000+ from the previous year, that breed would be banned.

Duh! One single fox allegedly attacked a baby and they wanted to cull them all.

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It might be terrorism. It might be hate. It might even be both, and it could just be inexplicable insanity. 

As opposed to terrorism, or gay hate which is explicable (but not justifiable) insanity.

 

Another form of insanity is trying to argue that the USA's ridiculously lax gun laws are not the root cause of the very high death by gun rate in the USA. If he had been a security guard in Europe he would not have been allowed to take his gun home with him. 

 

And I would much prefer to see two men kissing without making noise than people playing music from their phones on trains. Everybody has a trigger over some behaviour they hate. Lucky most won't act on it, and in most countries the few that might act can't because by the time they find a gun the trigger situation is over:

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10 minutes ago, klubbnika said:

Of course! I am surprised you fail to see the difference. You were objecting to the easiness of LEGALLY getting a gun in the US, were you not?

 

Meanwhile, in Asia, Bangladesh and Pakistan, for example, explosives kill far more people than elsewhere. I bet they have very strict weapon laws.

 

Bangladesh and Pakistan, noted industrialized first-world economies and economic/social/military superpowers.

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Just now, SA_Drone said:

 

Bangladesh and Pakistan, noted industrial economies and sole superpowers.

And? What's the relevance to the subject of mass-killings?

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