Brussels Terror Attacks: Islamist Jihadist Terrorists Strike Again

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I love the way that anyone who says "hold on a minute, shouldnt we focus on the immigrants that are fleeing war and actually need help rather than every tom dick or harry, especially since some of us here have ourselves been screwed over by visa/work permit requirements" is automatically a raging fascist who thinks we should throw everyone (including us?) into a detention pen and then be deported to vietnam or wherever it is australia sends people.

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1 hour ago, Katajena said:

Yo yo yo peeps, you guys brought up the white lib guilt when you mixed up (Australia's illegal detention processes for) asylum seekers with migrants...there's a difference.

And I just wanted to know if you folks can vote...thought that might help alleviate your feelings of helplessness a little...anything additional you want to argue about off topic's your own lookout :-)

It was you who implied Australians should not have any right to decide who enters their country, and, more specifically, that the non-indigenous Australian population's presence is itself illegal.

 

Riddle me this- was every person who got on a smuggler-provided boat to Australia in the past few years actually fleeing persecution, i.e., did they receive political asylum?

 

After all, given that you have no idea who a person is or whether they are genuinely fleeing persecution when they show up somewhere, doesn't it make sense to detain them until you can figure out who they are and whether they are telling you the truth instead of just setting them loose in your society?

 

Yes, Zwiebelfisch, it does seem obvious that you would want to filter out at least, e.g., criminals or terrorists before you let people in, but I guess some people think that is just too much.

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2 hours ago, Katajena said:

Love it @Conquistador, what 'migrant problem' would that be? The one the British had a hand in with 'terra nullius'? You're speculative stats are also awesome dude, utterly wrong, but awesome none the less :-)

Funny how the world has moved on. I, as a British passport holder, need a visa to enter Australia and if I arrived without one, i would be detained! 

I might  also be asked to prove I had enough funds for my stay, would need some proof of vaccinations eg for  yellow fever, if I´d just come from certain countries, might need to prove I had a comprehensive health insurance for the visa application etc. 

 

Sounds sensible if intrusive...

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8 terror attacks in the last 20 days, but you don't hear too much about them because they mostly involved, shall we say, darker-pigmented people. I guess it's not big news if it happens in Nigeria, Ivory Coast, Mali, etc. and not in a western city...

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I've always considered Toytown to be a pretty liberal place in general. We are, for the most part, all expats/travellers and I think liberalism comes with the territory. So if this place seems to come across as a bit right wing these days it makes me wonder what the discussion from right wingers back home sounds like.

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24 minutes ago, RickMunich said:

8 terror attacks in the last 20 days, but you don't hear too much about them because they mostly involved, shall we say, darker-pigmented people. I guess it's not big news if it happens in Nigeria, Ivory Coast, Mali, etc. and not in a western city...

 

Simply not true.  If there was a similar explosion in New York and the majority of the of the people killed were "darker-pigmented" americans or London and the victims were  "darker-pigmented" then it would for sure be reported on. 

 

What is true is that europeans care more (surprise!) about terrorism in europe and the developed world than they do in "Nigeria, Ivory Coast, Mali, etc".  Can you guess why?  Here are some suggestions:

* it could happen to me

* it could happen to my family

* it may be related to other things in the news ie refugee policy

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As well as his escape from the aforementioned police dragnet, the Belgian government has some explaining to do about Turkey's claim that when they sent Ibrahim El Bakraoui back to Belgium they informed the authorities there that he was a militant.

 

And...back to the subject of borders, open ones even outside of Europe can be very problematic (Brussels attacks Fuel Push to Close Off Militants' Highway):

 

"The Brussels bombings have accelerated U.S. efforts to close off the last remaining Islamic State route out of Syria through Turkey, which officials suspect was the main thoroughfare for militants who carried out deadly attacks in Belgium and France."

 

and...

 

"European officials have identified three people who slipped into the migrant trail in Turkey, made their way through the Balkans and then, in September 2014, were picked up in Hungary by Salah Abdeslam..."

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46 minutes ago, RickMunich said:

8 terror attacks in the last 20 days, but you don't hear too much about them because they mostly involved, shall we say, darker-pigmented people. I guess it's not big news if it happens in Nigeria, Ivory Coast, Mali, etc. and not in a western city...

I´m very liberally-minded, always have been but i´m getting tired of this " playing the racist card " stuff. Anyway, if anything, those attacks just go to show the problem of terrorism isn´t just the work of a few misguided souls in the world but an increasingly organised network of mayhem and inhumanity.

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46 minutes ago, RickMunich said:

8 terror attacks in the last 20 days, but you don't hear too much about them because they mostly involved, shall we say, darker-pigmented people. I guess it's not big news if it happens in Nigeria, Ivory Coast, Mali, etc. and not in a western city...

 

Yep, and those countries had traffic accidents and problems with their health services and cats stuck up trees and you just never hear about that in the racist european press do you?  It is just so shocking that we prioritise matters that affect us, I am so ashamed to be european.

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Nowadays, everytime I, for no particular reason, suddenly start singing or just feel happy... the next moment I feel guilty.

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1 hour ago, RickMunich said:

8 terror attacks in the last 20 days, but you don't hear too much about them because they mostly involved, shall we say, darker-pigmented people. I guess it's not big news if it happens in Nigeria, Ivory Coast, Mali, etc. and not in a western city...

...and just think of a city such as London...any major terrorist incident there would be guaranteed to affect people of all skin colours, creeds, nationalities- the population of London itself does not consist of white skinned, Anglo Saxons with a guilt complex!!!

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4 hours ago, Katajena said:

awesome dude,

 

People still use the word "dude"? 

 

And then you go on to say "Yo, yo yo peeps"...hard to take that seriously!

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3 hours ago, cb6dba said:

Not much grey room in the middle,

 

I actually disagree.  I think the majority of people who have commented actually fall into the "grey" zone.  The problem is that the media and certain posters make it seem black and white...which it most definitely is not. 

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15 minutes ago, eileenak said:

Nowadays, everytime I, for no particular reason, suddenly start singing or just feel happy... the next moment I feel guilty.

Don't feel guilty! Feel guilty if you start blowing innocent people up. 

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4 minutes ago, gemini said:

 

I actually disagree.  I think the majority of people who have commented actually fall into the "grey" zone.  The problem is that the media and certain posters make it seem black and white...which it most definitely is not. 

That is a bit of a missquote really though isn't it.

 

Here is the full sentence including the context of the far right/left that it applied to.

 

"If you are sceptical about the whole thing, you are raciest. Not much grey room in the middle, the far left and right have trouble dealing with the middle ground, it is too complicated for them. "

 

If anyone wants to see the full context, please the full post. 

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3 hours ago, Katajena said:

Yo yo yo peeps

 

Apologies...had 5 eight year olds overnight for daughters B-day and a fizz-winger of a Harry Potter themed party last night...not on my game! EXHAUSTED and reading comprehension definitely compromised!

 

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1 hour ago, theGman said:

I've always considered Toytown to be a pretty liberal place in general. We are, for the most part, all expats/travellers and I think liberalism comes with the territory. So if this place seems to come across as a bit right wing these days it makes me wonder what the discussion from right wingers back home sounds like.

What do you conceive of as right wing on Toytown? People not liking unsociable behaviour by young and not so young illegal migrants? Like in my dentist's street in  Harburg, South Hamburg, where the WHOLE street ( family people and many even SPD voters ) are applying for Waffenscheine  because of the disorder  and threats to teenage girls and women in that area? Where a perfectly safe street I used to walk down in my years in Hamburg is no longer safe at all.

 

Solidarity with VICTIMS of crime and harrassment should be seen by liberals and left- minded people as worthy and not to be sneered at.

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1 hour ago, RickMunich said:

8 terror attacks in the last 20 days, but you don't hear too much about them because they mostly involved, shall we say, darker-pigmented people. I guess it's not big news if it happens in Nigeria, Ivory Coast, Mali, etc. and not in a western city...

 

What a lazy comment. Stupid too.

 

Top 5 headlines from where my parents are (and I was brought up):

 

Police investigate murder of 15 year old schoolgirl

Dead boy's mother admits neglecting him

Two bodies discovered on Ben Nevis

Lack of mouth cancer specialists

Man jumps clear of lorry blaze

 

Top 5 from where I lived before Germany:

 

Two teens killed in Wednesday night crash

Police look for missing toddler

12 year old boy in vegetative state dies

Home invasion, shooting

Man shot in leg in serious condition

 

These are local headlines of areas on two different continents that are not known for being high in crime. On top of this we have the obvious news from Europe, where some of us have family and friends residing in the exact area affected, not to mention a city we often frequent.

 

There is also everyday life to contend with: family illness, ageing parents, financial pressures, relationship breakdowns etc. etc. etc.

 

I'm terribly sorry for what has happened to everybody with misfortune all over the planet, and especially to innocent people caught up in the actions of senseless criminals, but to suggest Nigeria is low down on my list of priorities to think about today because most people there are black is such a worthless comment that I can't believe I've just spent the time to reply, more fool me.

 

Humankind has enough fires raging out of control, we do not need idiotic statements fanning the flames.

 

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12 minutes ago, john g. said:

What do you conceive of as right wing on Toytown? People not liking unsociable behaviour by young and not so young illegal migrants? Like in my dentist's street in  Harburg, South Hamburg, where the WHOLE street ( family people and many even SPD voters ) are applying for Waffenscheine  because of the disorder  and threats to teenage girls and women in that area? Where a perfectly safe street I used to walk down in my years in Hamburg is no longer safe at all.

 

Solidarity with VICTIMS of crime and harrassment should be seen by liberals and left- minded people as worthy and not to be sneered at.

 

It just seems that (if it is even possible to classify comments as left or right) the greens seem to be going to the right. I would say the same comments posted 4 years ago would probably have garnered reds.

 

I guess what I'm asking is: is the left moving to the right?

 

I'm not making any accusations here and I don't want to come across as sneery. I haven't said which side of the debate I fall down on or whether I consider myself left or right. You said yourself John that you consider yourself to be "very liberally-minded" and have "Solidarity with VICTIMS". In the past I would say this meant siding with minorities and migrants etc. But these days it's resulting in siding with majorities and locals.

 

I'm just rambling though really. I don't feel at home in these "heavy" threads but the lighter part of Toytown seems to have disappeared in the last few years.

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