Brexit / Applying for German citizenship

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Yes thanks Leon I will ask but just read on the facebook site that the Aufenthaltes thing becomes invalid when we leave the EU. They said to apply for a residence permit. 

So if I have the interview for duel citizenship before oct 31 and theres a no deal brexit then its too late, but if there is a deal then they will give me time to take and pass the B1 and Einbürgerungstest? 

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2 minutes ago, shannon said:

Yes thanks Leon I will ask but just read on the facebook site that the Aufenthaltes thing becomes invalid when we leave the EU. They said to apply for a residence permit. 

So if I have the interview for duel citizenship before oct 31 and theres a no deal brexit then its too late, but if there is a deal then they will give me time to take and pass the B1 and Einbürgerungstest? 

 

I don't know.  That's why you need to talk to your local ABH.  Let them know about your situation and ask what happens in case of a deal or no deal and if they can give you time.

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Ok will do thanks Leon!  thanks Robinson too,Ive only just seen your reply. Also  I'm so sorry to hear Keefy, Its nice to see your'e still on here 

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Pondering out loud what's going on in my head ... I had my application meeting and handed over my documents before the end of May and was told they expect it to take 5 or 6 months. So there's every chance my application decision will be in November or maybe even December.

 

I asked at my meeting "what if it's a no-deal brexit"? They didn't know. Since then though I learned here that the official German line now is that as long as your application was made before the brexit date, you can keep dual citizenship.

 

" In the event of a disorderly Brexit, a similar provision has been put in place for naturalization candidates who apply before the date of the UK leaving the European Union."

 

I just wonder whether they're going to say to me that I can't keep both and I then have to try and convince them they're wrong. Even having a link to the proof in English and in German I hope I won't have to be in conflict with them.

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19 minutes ago, Derek said:

Pondering out loud what's going on in my head ... I had my application meeting and handed over my documents before the end of May and was told they expect it to take 5 or 6 months. So there's every chance my application decision will be in November or maybe even December.

 

I asked at my meeting "what if it's a no-deal brexit"? They didn't know. Since then though I learned here that the official German line now is that as long as your application was made before the brexit date, you can keep dual citizenship.

 

" In the event of a disorderly Brexit, a similar provision has been put in place for naturalization candidates who apply before the date of the UK leaving the European Union."

 

I just wonder whether they're going to say to me that I can't keep both and I then have to try and convince them they're wrong. Even having a link to the proof in English and in German I hope I won't have to be in conflict with them.

 

This has already been enshrined in law with the Act on Transition Provisions on Labour, Education, Health and Social Affairs, and Citizenship-

 

Article 3 (1) sets out that Brits who have entered an application before the exit date will, irrespective of a no-deal, not be obliged to give up their British citizenship in order to take on German citizenship, provided that they fulfil the necessary requirements before the exit date and continue to fulfil them at the time of being naturalised.

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4 minutes ago, sinfony said:

 

This has already been enshrined in law with the Act on Transition Provisions on Labour, Education, Health and Social Affairs, and Citizenship-

 

Article 3 (1) sets out that Brits who have entered an application before the exit date will, irrespective of a no-deal, not be obliged to give up their British citizenship in order to take on German citizenship, provided that they fulfil the necessary requirements before the exit date and continue to fulfil them at the time of being naturalised.

 

Yeah. Just hope I don't have to try arguing with them about it. They didn't know about it in May even though it was in law before that.

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1 hour ago, sinfony said:

 

If need be, refer them to page 11 here (or print it out yourself to present it to them):

http://www.bgbl.de/xaver/bgbl/start.xav?startbk=Bundesanzeiger_BGBl&jumpTo=bgbl119s0418.pdf

 

 

Thanks. I had been to that page but it looked quite daunting. Hopefully by now (or after a nodeal brexit if it happens) that department will have a memo circulated clarifying what they should already know by now :)

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On ‎16‎.‎08‎.‎2019‎ ‎21‎:‎02‎:‎57, LeonG said:

As for the Guyanese, yes, that's another matter, if they know about it.  I don't know if they register you as a dual citizen in their systems.  I saw a post from someone at some point stating that he was in Germany as a non-EU and would have had to give up his other citizenship in order to become a German.  He was eligible for another EU citizenship based on heritage so he applied for that and then changed his registration with immigration from non-EU to EU.  In this case, he could apply for and gain German citizenship as well as keep his other EU as well as his non-EU which they did not seem to know about anymore.

This is unfortunately not correct. German does not allow dual/multi citizenship except for specific pre-approved cases, or EU-citizenship. On the application form, you must state that you will renounce your other citizenship/s in order to get German. So essentially, the person who may have managed to keep a non-EU citizenship has not actually found a workaround, but has broken the law. I was able to keep UK citizenship but had to renounce NZ in order to get German citizenship (i have never been registered in Germany as a NZer, always as an EU-citizen. I still had to admit to any other citizenships, and renounce). Any person who keeps a non EU citizenship without prior approval has basically gained German citizenship illegally. I don't know how likely it is they can get caught, but they will be stripped of German if they are. I was handed this letter to make it absolutely clear to me that I couldn't just re-apply for NZ afterwards.

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