Brexit / Applying for German citizenship

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18 minutes ago, HEM said:

 

I also have one of these.  Issued February 1990.

I still have mine, issued May 1982

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So, HEM and TAP, are they worth the paper they are printed on after Brexit? I trust mine is. If not, I'll be in real trouble.

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@Actonyou might want to look at this Q&A from the British Embassy in Berlin.

 

In particular take a look at the question on the top of Page 15.

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I have been in Germany since 1989 and still have my Unbefristet Aufenthaltserlaubnis which was issued in 1995.. Will this be re-recognized, and re-issued after Brexit...?? Will I receive an indefinite Residence Permit..?

 

to which the answer was:-

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Unfortunately, this permit might no longer be valid after Brexit, since it was superseded by free movement rules in 2004. You will therefore need to approach your local foreigners’ authority after Brexit to apply for a new residency permit as a non-EU citizen.

 

You may want to check now rather than rely on it being OK and then getting caught out.

 

 

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Image result for aufenthaltserlaubnis

I had one of these, also from the 1990s. This is a photo from Google - didn't realise they would actually take it away from me at the naturalisation ceremony or I would have taken a photo of mine!

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11 minutes ago, anne k said:

Image result for aufenthaltserlaubnis

I had one of these, also from the 1990s. This is a photo from Google - didn't realise they would actually take it away from me at the naturalisation ceremony or I would have taken a photo of mine!

 

I had one too, from the 1980s. I also had to hand it in when I was naturalised. 

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I had one of those too, exactly as in the picture. I had to give it back when they gave 

me the certificate of citizenship (Einbürgerungsurkunde).  I've been in Germany 

since 1983 and had the "unbefristete Aufenthaltserlaubnis" since about 1989.

 

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14 hours ago, Acton said:

So, HEM and TAP, are they worth the paper they are printed on after Brexit? I trust mine is. If not, I'll be in real trouble.

 

Very unlikely they are worth anything since GB would no longer be a member...

It was useful to me once - long after the EU with the no need for such a resident's permit in Germany was in existance, I had some difficulty checking in at Denver airport for a (United) flight via Washington & Frankfurt to Hamburg with the check-in staff demanding to see my visa for Germany as my final destination was not the UK (I lived in DE as I do now). But that piece of paper convinced them!

 

3 hours ago, anne k said:

Image result for aufenthaltserlaubnis

I had one of these, also from the 1990s. This is a photo from Google - didn't realise they would actually take it away from me at the naturalisation ceremony or I would have taken a photo of mine!

Yep - mine looks the same.  I wonder if the officials know I have one - maybe keep my mouth shut (but I'm not looking for naturalisation here).

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12 hours ago, muni said:

I haven't heard anyone commenting on this possible piece of legislation: (Rights for Brits after Brexit)

 

https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/de/aussenpolitik/europa/Brexit/brexit-aufenthalts-ueg/2236400

 

Having both British and Guyanese nationalities and not keen on giving up either, I'm kind of stuck in the country as I have two German children. I'm hoping this would rescue ppl in my predicament.

 

If you're able to become German + Guyanese why not do that? A British passport is about as good as a German one for visa free travel right now, and after Brexit the German one will be better.

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4 hours ago, sos-the-rope said:

 

If you're able to become German + Guyanese why not do that? A British passport is about as good as a German one for visa free travel right now, and after Brexit the German one will be better.

 

Would @muni not have to give up the Guyanese nationality too? Usually, your only allowed to keep other EU nationalities alongside the German one.

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6 hours ago, Chris Marston said:

 

Would @muni not have to give up the Guyanese nationality too? Usually, your only allowed to keep other EU nationalities alongside the German one.

 

muni would not have to give up the UK citizenship.  I have this info from someone I know whose brother is a UK citizen living in Germany.  He was sent a letter from immigration a few months ago stating his options in different scenarios of Brexit happenings.  They stated there that if he wanted to go for German citizenship, they would not have a problem if he kept his UK citizenship too as long as they UK didn't care.

 

As for the Guyanese, yes, that's another matter, if they know about it.  I don't know if they register you as a dual citizen in their systems.  I saw a post from someone at some point stating that he was in Germany as a non-EU and would have had to give up his other citizenship in order to become a German.  He was eligible for another EU citizenship based on heritage so he applied for that and then changed his registration with immigration from non-EU to EU.  In this case, he could apply for and gain German citizenship as well as keep his other EU as well as his non-EU which they did not seem to know about anymore.

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18 hours ago, LeonG said:

 

muni would not have to give up the UK citizenship.  I have this info from someone I know whose brother is a UK citizen living in Germany.  He was sent a letter from immigration a few months ago stating his options in different scenarios of Brexit happenings.  They stated there that if he wanted to go for German citizenship, they would not have a problem if he kept his UK citizenship too as long as they UK didn't care.

 

As for the Guyanese, yes, that's another matter, if they know about it.  I don't know if they register you as a dual citizen in their systems.  I saw a post from someone at some point stating that he was in Germany as a non-EU and would have had to give up his other citizenship in order to become a German.  He was eligible for another EU citizenship based on heritage so he applied for that and then changed his registration with immigration from non-EU to EU.  In this case, he could apply for and gain German citizenship as well as keep his other EU as well as his non-EU which they did not seem to know about anymore.

Depends when muni applies for German citizenship- the clock is ticking, and post Brexit  will not be able to keep  UK citizenship when applying for DE.

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2 hours ago, RedMidge said:

Depends when muni applies for German citizenship- the clock is ticking, and post Brexit  will not be able to keep  UK citizenship when applying for DE.

Hope I can get my German citizenship application in before the UK departs - have pretty much all the paperwork they want, but not yet the "Einbürgerungstest" which I take on 11th September. In case my citizenship application fails for some reason, I have at least an unbefristete Aufenthalstitel stamped in my passport on 4th June this year courtesy of the Ausländerbehörde. I couldn't imagine living in the UK again - I own a nice property here in Berlin, I have my life here, I'm being well looked after by the German health service etc etc.

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7 minutes ago, LukeSkywalker said:

@Keefy: in marketing they would call you a laggard 🤗. I hope you get it in time.

Yes, I know, should have done it much earlier...but have been plagued with ill-health for some time - in fact, since suffering a stroke in 2013 :angry:. Now officially (i.e. according to the Versorgungsamt) 70% disabled. One of the reasons I've not particularly active on this forum for some time, honest, officer....

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Do we have to pass the B1 and Einbürgerungstest before october 31 2019? I have the application form for the Landratsamt and birth certificate. Also have the Aufenthaltes thing from 1994m which is no good when we leave

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8 minutes ago, shannon said:

Do we have to pass the B1 and Einbürgerungstest before october 31 2019?

 

- I guess it depends upon whether Brexit actually, finally goes through...

 

Anyway, just in case it does, I suggest you get your act together and jump through all necessary hoops ASAP.

 

Hey, I just realised that I will actually be in England on October 31st - wonder what difference it will make coming back, assuming it all goes through?

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46 minutes ago, robinson100 said:

 

Hey, I just realised that I will actually be in England on October 31st - wonder what difference it will make coming back, assuming it all goes through?

 

Dont forget travel health insurance if the UK crashes out.

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56 minutes ago, shannon said:

Do we have to pass the B1 and Einbürgerungstest before october 31 2019? I have the application form for the Landratsamt and birth certificate. Also have the Aufenthaltes thing from 1994m which is no good when we leave

 

Talk to your local ABH about this.  If your aufenthalts thing automatically becomes invalid on the day of, there must be an option for you to apply for something else based on having lived in Germany for a certain amount of time.

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