Brexit / Applying for German citizenship

[Chris Marston 61]

Apprently these MSFs should be accepted across the EU from 15/02/2019 on.

See: Multilingual Forms to Replace Apostille for EU Nationals

Fingers crossed that my case workers were briefed on this.

[EJM. 0]

Anyone recieved Einbürgerung with soley UK state pension (20yrs paid in) ?

 I’ve paid voluntary contributions whilst living here, I’m self employed  & am currently going through Einbürgerung process & was looking to set up a Rurüp pension plan. However plan papers have arrived & honestly it looks like a poor investment (apart from tax benefits whilst here) if I’m not sure how long I’m staying here or if i retire here. However i get the feeling they want to see a German pension plan for Einbürgerung.

anyone any experience ? 

[fraufruit 42,674]

There are a few existing threads on Rurüp if you are interested in learning more. I remember our professionals discussing it a while back.

[Chris Marston 61]

14 hours ago, EJM. said:

 I [...] was looking to set up a Rurüp pension plan. However plan papers have arrived & honestly it looks like a poor investment (apart from tax benefits whilst here) if I’m not sure how long I’m staying here or if i retire here. However i get the feeling they want to see a German pension plan for Einbürgerung.

You're right. This is because Rürup and Riester have been designed by and for the insurance industry. I hope you will not be pushed into Rurüp to satisfy your case worker.

[murphaph 9,854]

EJM do you have any property? On my application form it asks for proof of a pension or "im Alter dienendes Vermögen". 

[Derek 1,027]

I'm in my last 3 weeks of waiting for my B1 and Einbürgerungs results and I'm completing my application form. I'm probably gonna phone to schedule an appointment any day now (aiming for mid May but concerned I'll time it wrong and have the appointment before both results have arrived). 

 

Anyway ... I'm looking to hear what people wrote exactly in this section of the form:

 

 

My Gerwoman suggests I write something along the lines of "Aktuell nicht erforderlich wegen Doppeltestaatsbürgerschaft".

 

What did someone who successfully got the Doppelte write there?

 

[pappnase 2,654]

I think I left it blank and asked what I should write in. If I recall correctly the guy put something like "EU-Staatsbürger. Doppeltestaatsbürgerschaft erlaubt."

 

[Tammodar 100]

I ticked the "nein" box and wrote: "Ich beziehe mich auf Paragraph 87 Absatz 2 Ausländergesetz, wonach von

EU-Bürgern die Aufgabe der bisherigen Staatsbürgerschaft nicht verlangt wird, deren Staaten dies von 

deutschen Bewerbern auch nicht verlangen, also das Prinzip der Gegenseitigkeit. Landtag von Baden 

Württemberg, Drucksache 13 / 3132 vom 22.04.2004."  

I was granted dual citizenship, no further questions asked - but that was back in 2005. When I picked 

up my certificate of citizenship, they gave me a one page "Merkblatt für Mehrstaater".

[Derek 1,027]

1 hour ago, pappnase said:

I think I left it blank and asked what I should write in. If I recall correctly the guy put something like "EU-Staatsbürger. Doppeltestaatsbürgerschaft erlaubt."

 

 

I think I'll write that on a little post-it note and stick it next to that box and ask if I can write that.

 

1 hour ago, Tammodar said:

I ticked the "nein" box and wrote: "Ich beziehe mich auf Paragraph 87 Absatz 2 Ausländergesetz, wonach von

EU-Bürgern die Aufgabe der bisherigen Staatsbürgerschaft nicht verlangt wird, deren Staaten dies von 

deutschen Bewerbern auch nicht verlangen, also das Prinzip der Gegenseitigkeit. Landtag von Baden 

Württemberg, Drucksache 13 / 3132 vom 22.04.2004."  

I was granted dual citizenship, no further questions asked - but that was back in 2005. When I picked 

up my certificate of citizenship, they gave me a one page "Merkblatt für Mehrstaater".

 

[kiplette 8,802]

I ticked 'nein' and wrote 'EU' in the box. Not wanting to run my pen out 

[sos-the-rope 619]

6 hours ago, Derek said:

I'm in my last 3 weeks of waiting for my B1 and Einbürgerungs results and I'm completing my application form. I'm probably gonna phone to schedule an appointment any day now (aiming for mid May but concerned I'll time it wrong and have the appointment before both results have arrived). 

 

Anyway ... I'm looking to hear what people wrote exactly in this section of the form:

 

 

My Gerwoman suggests I write something along the lines of "Aktuell nicht erforderlich wegen Doppeltestaatsbürgerschaft".

 

What did someone who successfully got the Doppelte write there?

 

 

I ticked "ja" as this was true, I was perfectly happy at the time (last year) to give up the UK if it meant I could stay EU.

 

I just wrote something like "I'm currently an EU citizen", didn't even try to make any case.

 

Got my dual citizenship earlier this year.

[dj_jay_smith 3,449]

I think in my case, the beamter actually crossed it out and made a remark.  But I can't recall if he done this when he gave me the form, or told me not to enter anything and done it when I handed it in.

 

 

But if in doubt about anything, then leave it blank and ask when you hand the form in.  They anyway want to see you sign some things in front of them, and will go through the form with you to make sure it is complete.

[Chris Marston 61]

What do you have to do when the tables in the application form are too short? For example, I had more than six "Aufenthalte seit Geburt". By the way, how detailed does one have to be? I mean a holiday is an Aufenthalt. What about short term stays of, for instance, three month? There is also a lack of space for "6. Angaben zu Ausbildung und beruflichem Werdegang" on the form?

 

@Derek On my form it states: "9. Vermeidung von Mehrstaatigkeit (nicht auszufüllen von Personen, die ausschließlich die Staatsangehörigkeit eines EU-Staates oder der Schweiz besitzen)". So leaving it black seems the right way forward. ;-) By the way, I cannot get an appointment to hand in my application before August 2019! So, if you can get an early appointment, go for it! You can always hand in additional documentation later on.

[Derek 1,027]

23 minutes ago, Chris Marston said:

On my form it states: "9. Vermeidung von Mehrstaatigkeit (nicht auszufüllen von Personen, die ausschließlich die Staatsangehörigkeit eines EU-Staates oder der Schweiz besitzen)". So leaving it black seems the right way forward. ;-) By the way, I cannot get an appointment to hand in my application before August 2019! So, if you can get an early appointment, go for it! You can always hand in additional documentation later on.

 

August? Woah !! I was thinking 2-3 weeks wait (which is about how long I expect to get my B1/Einbürgerung results) so I was thinking I'll phone any day now. If it's months rather than weeks then I really need to get on the phone now.

[zwiebelfisch 7,067]

17 minutes ago, Derek said:

 

August? Woah !! I was thinking 2-3 weeks wait (which is about how long I expect to get my B1/Einbürgerung results) so I was thinking I'll phone any day now. If it's months rather than weeks then I really need to get on the phone now.

 

It depends totally on where you live, and whether you are talking about the first meeting or the other one where you actually hand in the documents.  FWIW the time it takes after handing everything in to actually becoming german also, from what I hear can vary wildly and in some cases takes a very long time (I have heard of people waiting over a year, though I dont know how common that is or what the reasons were).

[warsteiner70 292]

45 minutes ago, Chris Marston said:

What do you have to do when the tables in the application form are too short? For example, I had more than six "Aufenthalte seit Geburt". By the way, how detailed does one have to be? I mean a holiday is an Aufenthalt. What about short term stays of, for instance, three month? There is also a lack of space for "6. Angaben zu Ausbildung und beruflichem Werdegang" on the form?

 

 

The 'Aufenthalt' will be classed as where you are living or working. I spent 5 months working in a Swiss ski resort many years ago so put this on the form but if it was a 1 month holiday then I wouldn't bother. You could always check this when you either hand in your form or have your initial chat where you are told, which documentation you need to provide.

 

For questions where you don't have enough space you can attach use a blank piece of paper and write the question number on it and continue the answer there. I had to do this for the "Aufenthalte seit Geburt" question as well as I have moved around a lot.

[warsteiner70 292]

24 minutes ago, Derek said:

 

August? Woah !! I was thinking 2-3 weeks wait (which is about how long I expect to get my B1/Einbürgerung results) so I was thinking I'll phone any day now. If it's months rather than weeks then I really need to get on the phone now.

 

Yeah, you should book the appointment as soon as possible to get your docs in before Brexit eventually happens. You can always mention you are waiting for your B1 results and if you don't get the results before your appointment, some places allow you to hand the other docs in and then the B1 results when you receive them.

 

I don't know where exactly you are in Bavaria but in Cologne in 2017 it took 7 months to get an appointment to hand my docs in and after submitting them in Feb 2018 I haven't heard anything other than a letter confirming my application.

[Derek 1,027]

6 minutes ago, warsteiner70 said:

I don't know where exactly you are in Bavaria but in Cologne in 2017 it took 7 months to get an appointment to hand my docs in and after submitting them in Feb 2018 I haven't heard anything other than a letter confirming my application.

 

Did I just get lucky. I just phoned to get a Termin and they said they're currently giving out September appointments but someone had just cancelled one in May if I'd like to have that. So I'm all booked in for 21st of May. As I'm now in week 6 of my "4-8 weeks for your B1 ergebnis" and I'm in week 2 of my "bis 4 Wochen for your Einbürgerungstest ergebnis" that should all be timed nicely. I expect I'll have had both results for a week or two before my Termin.

 

  

[pappnase 2,654]

1 hour ago, Chris Marston said:

What do you have to do when the tables in the application form are too short?

I used a separate sheet of paper and referenced it in the form. See earlier in the thread for the details.

 

EDIT: Oops it was this thread that actually had details of what I did. It's a thread about 'Practical questions on the application' so it might be of help anyone reading this.

[Billybulldog 43]

Yes, same here. Amazed though at the fact people have to make appointments just to hand in documents! Luckily here in Frankfurt you just turn up and pull a number designated for „document handovers.”