Cologne Station Sexual Assaults - How Can I Make My Voice Heard?

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11 minutes ago, robinson100 said:

 

Whilst I totally agree with you that women should be able to go wherever they want to, whenever they want to, I also find it "downright immoral" to tar all immigrants with the same brush.

What happened in Cologne is absolutely appalling, but by no means should it be used to say that ALL immigrants are criminals.

You don't seem to have understood me correctly. First of all, who's saying that all immigrants are criminals? For starters, I'm not from Germany myself, Robby.  I was referring to the Chancellor's earlier boasting about her waiving of the Dublin Agreement. Furthermore, given what's been reported about the identities of the attackers, it makes no sense to ignore that they generally don't seem to be from here and, specifically, that many of them appear to have entered as a result of the Chancellor's policy and were/are resident in facilities for the migrants.

 

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6 minutes ago, robinson100 said:

 

Whilst I totally agree with you that women should be able to go wherever they want to, whenever they want to, I also find it "downright immoral" to tar all immigrants with the same brush.

What happened in Cologne is absolutely appalling, but by no means should it be used to say that ALL immigrants are criminals.

Is there suddenly some big question as to the mystery surrounding 'which' immigrants are being referred to? Being too afraid to label the problem and its origins has led to this.

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6 minutes ago, Andrea-87 said:

 

Tomorrow at the march (I am going and eight other girls with me, one of them from Ghana and a victim of sexual abuse) will be protesting. So it's not about skin color, or stigmatizing muslims.  It's about DEMANDING RESPECT!

 

Hi Andrea-87 that is great that you will be going!  I will be there with 1 other German, and 2 others said they would meet me there.  My boyfriend is steering very clear of the whole thing though...typical German. 

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29 minutes ago, robinson100 said:

 

Whilst I totally agree with you that women should be able to go wherever they want to, whenever they want to, I also find it "downright immoral" to tar all immigrants with the same brush.

What happened in Cologne is absolutely appalling, but by no means should it be used to say that ALL immigrants are criminals.

 

You are right not all immigrants are criminals. However we do not know the scale of this European rape epidemic. The authorities have lied and tried to protect the perpetrators rather than help the victim. 

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4 hours ago, HEM said:

 

They of course are in sunny Crete and not in Germany to enjoy the situation & help pay for it.

Yes and no. They own a house just outside of Hamburg.  They commute every few months from Crete to Hamburg as they are both still working and in the German tax system. They´ve just left today for Hamburg for three months. They are lovely and kind people and I hope they don´t arrive to find their house has been, erm, visited/occupied etc. Neither of them has ever been mugged. I have..more than once.

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3 hours ago, HEM said:

Suddenly the possibility of going back to the UK upon retirement needs to be looked into.

 

I don't have that option - I don't think the US is much safer.

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CDU Publishes Blueprint Today to prevent recurrence of NYE

 

All:  The CDU met in Mainz yesterday and today to come up with their playbook for the future, which includes their plan for dealing with the NYE issue.  It is called the "Mainzer Erklaerung" and was released today.  On page 8 of the document, they talk about "Security/Safety" for Germans, i.e. the plan to counter what happened on NYE.   The content before that deals with things of an economic nature.

 

The link to the pdf is (this will automatically download the pdf...if you don't want that, google

"mainzer erklärung cdu" instead):

 

https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0ahUKEwjggIDK0p3KAhVLDxoKHU20AsAQFggmMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdu.de%2Fsystem%2Ftdf%2Fmedia%2Fdokumente%2F2016_01_09_mainzer_erklaerung.pdf%3Ffile%3D1&usg=AFQjCNH4t0795WNz696rXa9Vn2xE8Yt-HQ&sig2=mxcK2lAJmSy_mwBf7cgioA&cad=rja,

 

The key points as best as I can glean them are as follows. The questions that come to mind are -  Is this plan robust enough?  How quickly can it be accomplished?  Is it going to solve the problem at hand?  How is it going to get paid for, and so on.  Lots of food for thought here.  And btw it still needs to be signed off with the SPD, their coalition partner btw, so isn't set in stone yet.

  1. All suspects can immediately be put into police custody without a conviction.  The investigation and trial need to follow asap.  This is to take place irrespective of where the suspect is from or what their cultural background is.
  2. Germany will not tolerate "no go" zones anywhere in Germany, i.e. areas in the country where laws are not enforced (e.g. the police are too scared to go into certain neighbourhoods etc.)
  3. More video cameras will be installed in high risk areas, and more police will be present in said areas so that they can intervene where required.
  4. Acts of physical aggression against police and other rescue etc. personnel will result in higher prison sentences.
  5. Sexual Assault rules will be strengthened, i.e. a "no" on the part of the victim is enough (I don't entirely understand the nuances of this bit, someone with better German could perhaps clarify?)
  6. "Groping" will now be elevated to the status of a criminal act of sexual violence.  Not sure if they mean the "insert finger into vagina/anus" form of groping that happened on NYEs with this (I assume they do) or are they also lowering the standard to, say, someone pinching someone in the buttocks?  This is not defined in the document.
  7. They will INVESTIGATE whether minimum mandatory sentences for sexual violence convictions need to be raised.
  8. Refugees/migrants will automatically lose all rights associated with this status if they are convicted of a criminal crime resulting in either a jail sentence or even a probationary sentence.
  9. Planned trips with terrorist intent can result in the loss of not only their passport, but also of their Ausweis, so that the individual cannot leave the country.   Similarly, people who fight for a terrorist militia who have dual citizenship, including German, can lose their German citizenship.

Anyways I hope I have got it close (my German boyfriend helped me with this) and haven't misinterpreted any of it.  This is the blueprint for making sure another Cologne doesn't occur.

 

I wonder, will this do the job?

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Attention everyone, Merkel just said those migrants who commit crimes will be 'requested' to leave Germany. Wow that's really getting tough. I don't think even the staunchest leftie will bother protesting that.

What a joke these weaklings are !!

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@rohit_2543- That'll strike some fear into their hearts and snap them into line- not!

 

It's clear that those among the migrants who want to commit crimes, and, for that matter, likely also terror Groups, have taken a measure of the situation and have decided that they can do what they want with relative impunity.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Conquistador said:

It's clear that those among the migrants who want to commit crimes, and, for that matter, likely also terror Groups, have taken a measure of the situation and have decided that they can do what they want with relative impunity.

 

True, the Justizministerium has used the word 'Ausweisung' and not 'Abschiebung'. Theoretically they can mean the same, but there's a world of difference in implementation. Short version: if the word 'Abschiebung' is not in the new law, it makes no difference to the current situation. The criminals will get to stay here.

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I thought I heard Merkel saying that "they *may be* requested to leave".  Meaning it's still up to some softie judge to say nah, poor guy, I'm not going to deport him.

 

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Now I'm wondering... can I sue the authors of this Mainzer Erklärung for plagiarism? :)

It's pretty much what I and a handful of others were saying in September, October, November...

Too bad Paris and NYE had to happen so that people in high places applied what was mere common sense.

BTW: doesn't point #8 effectively mean deportation of criminals? 

 

@TorontoExpatLady: many thanks for posting this.

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4 hours ago, TorontoExpatLady said:

The key points as best as I can glean them are as follows. The questions that come to mind are -  Is this plan robust enough?  How quickly can it be accomplished?  Is it going to solve the problem at hand?  How is it going to get paid for, and so on.  Lots of food for thought here.  And btw it still needs to be signed off with the SPD, their coalition partner btw, so isn't set in stone yet.

 

There are two options:

- CDU and SPD don't agree: Merkel falls, early elections before the summer, interim cabinet until then; the interim cabinet will have no choice but to be strong on law and order - and all parliamentary parties have no choice but to back it up or deal with the fallout in the elections. Both parties lose voters, AfD gains. Election results: CDU-CSU 35-38%, SPD 25-28%, AfD 12-15%, Linke 8-10%, Greens 8-10%. Depending on how much the top three parties get, either a CDU-CSU-AfD (unlikely) or a CDU-CSU-SPD government afterwards. The bigger the AfD share of votes at a national level, the bigger the relative share of CSU inside the CDU-CSU, hence the stronger their leverage, hence I can imagine a situation where a CDU-SPD coalition (but without any other party) could not pass a cabinet.

- CDU and SPD agree: SPD loses a part of the voters, CDU gains some, Merkel stays. Elections in 2017, too far to call.

 

I would say the SPD will have no choice but to sign. They don't have enough seats (with the Linke and Greens) to form a government as it stands now. The only other party in the Bundestag is the CSU, which is even stronger on the rule of law aspect than the CDU, so extremely unlikely to agree on anything less. Basically, no CDU means no government. While also no SPD means no government (unless you see Linke and CSU working together, which I don't), it isn't wise for socialists to go for elections now or anytime soon, since apart from Merkel personally, they are perceived as the biggest supporters of unchecked migration.

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Watch as the PEGIDA member numbers grow across Germany and the left scrabbles to establish a position on the moral imperative to take in refugees and the right of women to walk down the street without being leered at or molested.

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@ Torontolady.  Really good for you.  I am so interested to hear how it goes.  Unfortunately it is just too far away for me to make it today by myself...and no way I am bringing my young girls.  

 

Good Luck!!!

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11 hours ago, TorontoExpatLady said:

CDU Publishes Blueprint Today to prevent recurrence of NYE

 

I wonder, will this do the job?

Perhaps I'm too cynical but all I see are empty political promises.
The failure on NYE was too few police officers on duty to keep order. The politicians can change all the laws they want but with too few police officers on duty the criminals will be free to operate and escape again and again.

 

"Lack of resources" can kill off any plan.
When will the politicians stop making empty promises and provide detailed, binding, financial, recruitment and training plans for dealing with all those who will come to Germany in the years to come while, at the same time,  building a police and criminal justice system to properly prevent repeats of the NYE (and other) crimes?
 

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10 hours ago, TorontoExpatLady said:
  1. Similarly, people who fight for a terrorist militia who have dual citizenship, including German, can lose their German citizenship.

 

This is also very important. A little too late they realize'd, but better late than never.

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