Compulsory bag inspection at the grocery

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People just complain about everything.   There is still plenty of trust in customers here in Germany, you can see tons of shops with all the merchandise outside of the shop and no one taking care of it, you as a customer are expected to take the item and bring it into the shop and pay for it.

 

Yes, sometimes they want to see inside your trolley in case you forgot something.   But Krieg ... in my country they don't do that.  Sure, maybe because they have a giant mirror on top of the trolley area so the cashier can see your empty trolley without bending over.

 

And yes, sometimes they want to see your bags, why? because for whatever reason they think you were acting suspicious.  Of course if you are not white you will blame this to racism.

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Though to be fair I did have an African friend here who was often asked to take her baby out of the pram at a supermarket here so they could check under him.   Not sure in what way she looked dodgy, always smartly turned out compared to me (it is a look I struggle with).  No-one ever asked me to do that with any of my babies.

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Of course sh*t happens, but is not 100% based on racism and most times is not even discrimination.   

 

I am in some Facebook expat groups for the fun of reading shenanigans, imagine TT Fridays Thread every day, every hour.  And the kind of crap I have to read make me lose hope in humanity.   Just yesterday there was a big discussion about paying with EC card of credit card and the cashier requesting for ID, they were all blaming it to racism.   I tried to explain them that most times this is because the point of sale software says to request ID and it is the job of the cashier to request the ID. And that those policies are very different from shop to shop and from the payment system itself.  But no, it must be all racism.

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I hate it when I use a credit card and they don’t at least check the signature. Would have no problem showing my ID as well. 

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On 5/29/2019, 1:12:09, BayrischDude said:

Not checking the trolley also has legal implications.  Theft, perhaps.

At least here in the Allgäu, most stores have a mirror that hangs above the wee lane that is slightly tilted.  Seems to allow more on a discrent(er) means to look at the trolley without it being more obvious.

There's a huge, freshly renovated Edeka near me. They did something very clever: they mounted a small mirror on the arm that holds the cash register monitor. It, in turn, is aimed at the mirror hanging from the ceiling that lets them look into the shopping cart to make sure it's empty. So they can be very subtle with their checks now and don't even have to look up to the ceiling.

 

36 minutes ago, A.N.Other said:

I hate it when I use a credit card and they don’t at least check the signature. Would have no problem showing my ID as well. 

That problem will likely end soon, at least. I always opted out of having a PIN for my MasterCard because I never thought I'd need it. But I just got a new one, because my old card physically broke, and they told me PINs are mandatory now. You'll get one when your current credit card expires at the latest.

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1 hour ago, A.N.Other said:

I hate it when I use a credit card and they don’t at least check the signature.

My signature is sloppy and different each time I sign something (smaller space=one way, larger space=another).  It's not like supermarket clerks are trained handwriting experts or that they have the time to carefully examine every transaction.  I've never had anyone compare mine...ever.

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On 04/06/2019, 07:52:27, Krieg said:

People just complain about everything.   There is still plenty of trust in customers here in Germany, you can see tons of shops with all the merchandise outside of the shop and no one taking care of it, you as a customer are expected to take the item and bring it into the shop and pay for it.

 

Yes, sometimes they want to see inside your trolley in case you forgot something.   But Krieg ... in my country they don't do that.  Sure, maybe because they have a giant mirror on top of the trolley area so the cashier can see your empty trolley without bending over.

 

And yes, sometimes they want to see your bags, why? because for whatever reason they think you were acting suspicious.  Of course if you are not white you will blame this to racism.

 

Suspicious post. I think you need some global cultural training to offset your provincial upbringing. Maybe you have some tendencies.

People post all manner of complaints on here and no one cares. Maybe you are being a tad too sensitive.

 

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On 6/16/2015, 12:48:20, foreign in fatherland said:

In all my time in Germany (3 years) it has happened to me often. If they know you are foreign I believe it is more likely to happen. If you can't speak good German and do not know your legal rights they love to try and take advantage. I suggest you Give them a quick look i.e. with their eyes, not a 'rummage' through your personal possessions with their hands and thats all. Say thank you and be on your way. There is absolutley nothing else they can do or have any rights to do so (assuming you have not stolen anything) etc etc.

 

Whatever you do, do not I repeat DO NOT insult the clerk, security guard etc - this they love and you would be falling directly into their trap - in Germany insults mean money - unless you have a good lawyer and can afford to pay them - without insurance it costs around 500 euros to make an insult case (Belidigung) go away...

I've been in Germany for 12 years and it's never happened to me. Strange. Are they all racist?

 

On 6/16/2015, 12:48:20, foreign in fatherland said:

In all my time in Germany (3 years) it has happened to me often. If they know you are foreign I believe it is more likely to happen. If you can't speak good German and do not know your legal rights they love to try and take advantage. I suggest you Give them a quick look i.e. with their eyes, not a 'rummage' through your personal possessions with their hands and thats all. Say thank you and be on your way. There is absolutley nothing else they can do or have any rights to do so (assuming you have not stolen anything) etc etc.

 

Whatever you do, do not I repeat DO NOT insult the clerk, security guard etc - this they love and you would be falling directly into their trap - in Germany insults mean money - unless you have a good lawyer and can afford to pay them - without insurance it costs around 500 euros to make an insult case (Belidigung) go away...

 

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 “I don’t care about privacy because I have nothing to hide” is the most pathetic statement I have ever heard because people who say this clearly have no clue what rights they are entitled to as human beings and are more than happy to be abused. Especially those here with an avatar that shows their full heads of grey hair, what a shame that they have wasted so many years of oxygen on Earth.

 

Why don’t you strip in front of me then? Do you have some big secret hiding in your panties, Uncle Nick?

 

Why don’t you let me go into your house for an inspection when your wife is showering? Do you have some shameful secret hiding there?

 

Why do you answer no?

 

Obviously, privacy has nothing to do with preventing one being convicted, but is simply about something of mine that is none of your concern. People who somehow developed the mindset that privacy=you’ve got something bad to hide, are likely the shady ones themselves who are used to proving themselves innocent. Decent human beings are not used to that.

 

Privacy is not about something to hide, but about something to protect. Yes, I might not have a big secret or a big dildo in my backpack, but it doesn’t mean I have to let you know what is in it because that is none of your business.

 

This is a matter of respecting human beings’ dignity, that everyone should be treated as innocent by default, unless proven guilty. If everyone is by default guilty and obligated to prove himself innocent, then why are we still living our lives? Shouldn’t everyone be first locked up in jail the moment he is born until this little baby grows up and proves himself innocent then to be released? Absurd.

 

But sure, stores are private domains. Store owners can reserve their rights. I can do nothing about it. What I can only do, is to have a choice of where to shop at, which is enough for me.

 

Bag search means I lose my privacy. Should I, an innocent paying customer being punished for other peoples’ shoplifting? My answer is no.

 

What is illegal is shoplifting, not shopping. Preventing shoplifting is the shops’ concern, and is none of my business. If a shop decides to make it my business, I will do what I can to make it none of my business, which is not shopping there anymore. I have done it to a Dutch supermarket called Jumbo and a Dutch drugstore called Etos(yes I called them out, sue me), never shopped there anymore since a year ago and guess what, I did not lose anything. I only did save myself from the feeling of being treated as a criminal. My girlfriend and I still love to shop in discount supermarkets as young students, but we now choose to patronize Lidl. Turns out, huh, there are obviously plenty of other shops.

 

I will be graduating in a year and moving back to Shanghai with my German girlfriend. It will not be my concern anymore. Public discussions regarding such issues had been raised by the Chinese media more than a decade ago, which yet I only come to find out that Europeans in 2019 still simply do not care about. I am merely writing this post out of sympathy. But sure, whatever suits you.

 

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38 minutes ago, bambooisfood said:

Especially those here with an avatar that shows their full heads of grey hair, what a shame that they have wasted so many years of oxygen on Earth.

 

Why don’t you strip in front of me then? Do you have some big secret hiding in your panties, Uncle Nick?

 

Insulting the living and the dead.

 

Class act.

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43 minutes ago, fraufruit said:

 

Insulting the living and the dead.

 

Class act.

 

Seriously, how is someone supposed to know who's alive and dead on this site?

 

I only figured out about Dominick recently, and I don't actually have any details except that his condition won't be changing any time soon. 

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1 hour ago, bambooisfood said:

This is a matter of respecting human beings’ dignity, that everyone should be treated as innocent by default, unless proven guilty. If everyone is by default guilty and obligated to prove himself innocent, then why are we still living our lives? Shouldn’t everyone be first locked up in jail the moment he is born until this little baby grows up and proves himself innocent then to be released? Absurd.

 

 

It's not about dignity, it's about treating everyone the same irrespective of colour, creed or religion. Think you're misunderstanding German culture. Bag searches and alike have been going on for years and are accepted by the locals. The OP thinking he's being targeted because of his colour is a bit dumb. After all, did he sit in the store day in and day out and carry out a survey of how often bag searches were carried out and who was targeted? I was stopped in Harrods many years ago, I elected today to show the assistant in Lidl my bag when I was at the checkout. Do I feel like I've had my privacy invaded? No. Suggest you rethink your attitude to what happens in other countries, It's not about you, it's about the store owner protecting his business and hopefully still being able to employ others.

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1 hour ago, bambooisfood said:

 

Privacy is not about something to hide, but about something to protect. Yes, I might not have a big secret or a big dildo in my backpack, but it doesn’t mean I have to let you know what is in it because that is none of your business.

 

This is a matter of respecting human beings’ dignity, that everyone should be treated as innocent by default, unless proven guilty. If everyone is by default guilty and obligated to prove himself innocent, then why are we still living our lives? Shouldn’t everyone be first locked up in jail the moment he is born until this little baby grows up and proves himself innocent then to be released? Absurd.

 

But sure, stores are private domains. Store owners can reserve their rights. I can do nothing about it. What I can only do, is to have a choice of where to shop at, which is enough for me.

 

Bag search means I lose my privacy. Should I, an innocent paying customer being punished for other peoples’ shoplifting? My answer is no.


You should seriously consider watching fewer YouTube videos and read more books. 

What you fail to understand is a your 'right to privacy' ends the moment you exit your dwelling.  Inside the confides of your home you have a right to privacy that you loose (to a degree) once you leave and are in the 'public domain'.  Within the public domain, we all have a right to feel secure whilst engaging with others.  

When you visit a mate, you have little to no right to privacy.  What is in your pockets or belongings is yours and considered private.  If law enforcement enters that dwelling (legally I should add for conspiracy theorists) there is a chance your privacy would be in jeopardy depending upon the totality of the circumstances.  But that dwelling is still to a degree private.

Go into a shop and your privacy is now limited further.  No one can simply walk up and search you or your bag without Probable Cause.  Even then it takes law enforcement to perfom a legal search, but will be based upon probable cause given by evidence of a shop employee or a witness.  Yes, you do take a chance walking into a shop and being wrongfully accused of comitting a crime.  Mistakes happen.  But are few and far between.

I am one of your 'grey haired oxygen thieves' as you so poetically phrased it and I have nothing to hide or loose should someone inquire as to whether I took something from a shop.  'Ms Security or Mr Employee, you are free to search my bag and I am happy to empty my pockets for you.  I understand someone thought I placed something in my pockets (although I didn't)'  Why?  Firstly, I took nothing.  Secondly within 4min, I am out the door and free to go about me life.  The alternative?  The police are now involved.  My freedom of movement has been hindered.  My name is now taken into record and me comfort to reenter that store is in doubt.  When a mistake or misunderstanding happen, it can be quickly and politely resolved by cooperating.  I chose to enter that particular shop.  They offer things I need or want.  I can be friendly and cooperate in kind.

Did I lose some sort of desparate privacy I cannot live without?  No.  Not in the least.  Again, that is engaging with the public and there is always a chance of encountering issues.  But these can be resolved quickly.

Making a point about privacy in a such a stuation brings about nothing at all.  Absolutely nothing more than causing frustration with everyone. 

I can nearly imagine that if you are such a situation where a shop mistakenly suspected you shop-lifted something you would wait for the police and complain the entire time and scream about rights and privacy.  All while annoying everyone for the sheer matter of principle.  What a load of shite!

If nothing else, you've made a great impression here on TT.  Your first post is a wind blow of garbage.  I bet your mates really enjoy spending time with you.
 
 

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1 hour ago, tor said:

please don't feed the trolls.

Y'all aren't paying attention.

 

Some rando (allegedly) Chinese guy living in the Netherlands posts a mindless rant. Do you

a. ignore them

b. ignore them harder

c. report them and then ignore them

d. waste your time writing a thoughtful answer?

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3 minutes ago, French bean said:

Lucky bambooisfood is not in the UK with CCTV on every corner

 

Right.  And he is going home to Shanghai soon so no more privacy worries.

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2 hours ago, bambooisfood said:

 Yes, I might not have a big secret or a big dildo in my backpack, but it doesn’t mean I have to let you know what is in it because that is none of your business.

 

 

But for you girfriend's sake, you probably should.

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1 hour ago, BayrischDude said:


You should seriously consider watching fewer YouTube videos and read more books. 

...
 

 

 

1984?

 

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1 hour ago, snowingagain said:

 

Right.  And he is going home to Shanghai soon so no more privacy worries.

I missed that bit. Hilarious someone from China telling people in Europe about Privacy. How's Hong Kong these days? Done anymore dodgy kidnappings?

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