TV via the Internet as an alternative to satellite

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Derek broadband Upload speed in the uk is bt infinity with a claimed upload of 9mbs....more than enough for the slingbox which needs a Constant 2mb for hd according to my research. Infinity has been Set up á his mums House in Central Cardiff. All well

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All Users are ibvpn which has apparently been Blocked by sky....

 

This seems to be confirmed here, but I find it hard to understand why Sky would take such action if the following post from the Astra 2F and Astra 2E - New satellites arrive thread contains real facts:

 

 

 

There are approx 25 million TV license payers in UK let's assume that this is the potential customer base for Sky

There are currently over 10 million Sky subscribers generating £1.2billion in profits

A conservative estimate of the number of subscribers living abroad is 500,000. In actual fact it's more likely to be 800,000, although in the last 3 years it has reduced as free-to-air services became more easily and cheaply available in central Europe. You'll just have to believe me on this, and even Sky can't be sure, but those numbers come from a reliable source. Subscriber numbers abroad are likely to increase as a result of the recent loss of FTA services in parts of Europe.

Non-UK subscribers are valuable to Sky:

 

  • they tend to take more valuable packages such as movies and sports
  • they don't (usually) take subsidised hardware or need (free from Sky) installation as they have no UK address to install it
  • they don't hassle customer service
  • they don't take advantage of any guarantee
  • they pay via credit card which attracts additional service fees
  • they tend to regularly pay their subscription and rarely fall into arrears or have to be chased for money
  • adding a new subscriber increases profit pretty much by the value of subscription, as there are minimal additional overheads.

500,000 subscribers is approx 5% of the subscriber base, but because of the above is more likely to represent 8-10% of the revenue of £6.8 billion, so around £600 million. If they left overnight (for example because their TV content switched satellites) Sky would half their profit. Imagine the financial furore in the City should that happen

Now tell me again that "expat UK TV viewers account for almost nothing that would remotely interest a UK broadcaster"

 

The above post is a survivor of a purge by the mods of the Astra 2F and Astra 2E - New satellites arrive thread that removed a bunch of off-topic posts as explained here:

 

 

 

This thread is supposed to be about What to do when you have lost your channels.

There is another thread about TV via the Internet as an alternative to satellite.

I have just removed around 3 pages full of off-topic posts about Sky, how much of their profit comes from ex-pats in Europe, etc.

Please keep this thread on topic. Those who have lost their signals recently will thank you for it.

So will I and the rest of the all-volunteer moderation team.

 

My theory is that ibvpn or some of its users must have been causing problems for Sky.

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Derek broadband Upload speed in the uk is bt infinity with a claimed upload of 9mbs....more than enough for the slingbox which needs a Constant 2mb for hd according to my research. Infinity has been Set up á his mums House in Central Cardiff. All well

 

Cheers! I discovered I've got a slingplayer app on a Roku box that I've got, so that's cool. As for going the slingbox route, it's something I've got on the backburner. The satellite situation is improving all the time so I might end up not having to do anything, but if that all falls apart (unlikely but possible) then I might prefer a sling route rather than rely on SmartDNS + apps and boxes. Although they're usually fine, things can change overnight there too. The sling alternative isn't subject to tightening up of geolocation checking or satellite beams or weather. As long as the boxes and the internet is working, it's all good. Definitely a possibility for me in future.

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Same here Derek it was aways going to be a back up for me too as my mum has fibre optic BB also in my home City of Cardiff. The slingbox doesnt do true hd but compresses the Video Source still v watchable on a 40 inch screen though

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Try a different VPN service..

 

which Sky might then block too - unless it's a service offering a dedicated (and static) IP address such as this one - even then Sky only have to exclude the rang of IP addresses owned by a particular provider.

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Then you find, yet another VPN service.. Sky would have to find/block every VPN service in the UK.

If that happens, the VPN services can get new IP ranges that are not blocked, sky would then have to

find and block those too thus continuing the game of cat and mouse. Were there is a will, there's a way.

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The tvcatchup Website has blocked all VPns...if they can do it so can sky BBC etc

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VPN services can get new address assignments easily to get around such problems. Given that there are

Millions of possible IPv4 addresses and 340 undecillion (Yes, its a real word) IPv6 addresses. getting around

IP blocking is quite easy and blocking all possible VPN addresses is quite difficult if not impossible.

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TVcatchup seem to get around it very easily. I'm not aware of a VPN service that works with them except for a private one (where the viewer has his own VPN server in UK) -happy to be proved wrong though - it's an excellent service!. If they wanted (and I'm not sure they do), there is no reason why Sky (for example) could not use the same technology.
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happy to be proved wrong though

Well, that was easy to do...

 

Just fired up VyperVPN, connected to their UK server, opened the tvcatchup site and watched Simpsons on Channel 4

and Casino Royale on another.. Is that good enough for you? ;-)

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Well, that was easy to do...Just fired up VyperVPN, connected to their UK server, opened the tvcatchup site and watched Simpsons on Channel 4and Casino Royale on another.. Is that good enough for you? ;-)

 

What's your experience with vyprvpn? I've been using Hidemyass for a couple of years and it works, but servers are slow in the evening (at least the UK ones), or I have to try several one until I find one I can connect to.

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Just fired up VyperVPN, connected to their UK server, opened the tvcatchup site and watched Simpsons on Channel 4

and Casino Royale on another.. Is that good enough for you? ;-)

 

Perfect - thank you for that! - saved a lot of time searching. Always better to get someone else to do the donkey-work...

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What's your experience with vyprvpn? I've been using Hidemyass for a couple of years and it works, but servers are slow in the evening (at least the UK ones), or I have to try several one until I find one I can connect to.

 

Never had a problem with them, always super fast and have tons of locations to connect to. I torrent at 5+mb

download rates over their servers in Amsterdam all the time.. Click the link, check the details, read the reviews.

I've been with them for over 8yrs now.. Well worth the $..

 

The VPN and online storage service they offer is FREE when you sign-up for a Giganews (Usenet feeds with tons of TV,CD,BLuray,Programs,etc)

platinum or Diamond account.

 

All services offer a free trial period to test things out..

 

Update: Just looked at HideMyAss, they seem to have 2 major services, 1. VPN and 2. Proxying.

It is very easy for the content provider to block proxy servers which is prob. why many users can't connect

because the servers they use have been IP blocked.

 

The biggest difference I see between the HMA and Vyper VPNservice is that Vyper runs their own servers, network, service, everything.

Their VPN servers are setup in Clusters where as HMA's don't seem to be. When you connect to a Vyper VPN server, your actually

connecting to a cluster of 100s of servers. There are checks done during logon to determine which server has the lowest load level,

and you are connected to that server. This prevents you from getting connected to an overloaded server and having slow connections.

There's tons more info out there so I'll leave it to you to do your own research, and stop before I start sounding like one of their salespersons.

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Always better to get someone else to do the donkey-work...

 

You have always done that... your buisness model is no different..

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I think most of the UK broadcasters are secretly happy to get expat subscribers (as YL6 suggested recently). They do have to make a show every now and then, either at the request of a rights-holder, or because a particular service becomes too well known. There are guardian website articles on how lots of expats in europe are getting their free TV. It's that kind of thing that can lead to the occasional crackdown. If overplay get too well known then they might also find themselves under attack. It's not like Sky or the BBC haven't heard of them, but as long as it remains an underground movement then it's tolerated. Get too big, you'll find yourselves a target. That's why these VPN/DNS services can only really get customers on a rolling monthly contract. Not many would pay in advance for a year for a service that could be taken down at any moment. Whereas paying $5 a month in advance the risk is the price of a happy meal at McDonald's (I imagine).

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Just Tried vypervpn and cannot get tvcatchup

Then you are doing something wrong. I'm watching it right Now over VyperVPN.

 

1. Are you connected to the UK server?

2. Did you disable all browser pop-up blocking, ad blocking, and other blocking addons and restart your browser?

3. You must have Adobe flash installed, Java also doesn't hurt. If your browser doesn't work try a different one.

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