Setting up a home-based cake decorating business

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Hi everyone,

 

I intend to start a cake decorating business when I move to Germany next year as well as selling a few items online.

 

Does anyone know the legalities around this? What certificates do I need and can I transfer my health and safety certificates from England to Germany?

 

All information is kindly welcomed and appreciated.

 

Thank you in advance.

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Thank you for using Toytown Germany, a forum that answers a plethora of questions any ex-pat might have. The Search function (top right of your monitor) is invaluable for finding such questions and answers. Do not hesitate to use it, make yourself familiar with the other features of the forum, enjoy your stay in Germany.

 

In your case, try doing a search for "opening business". There are several topics that will surely answer some of your questions.

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Maybe she wants customers who will decorate their own cakes in a manner she suggests via email. And then they can pay her by PayPal.

That way she need never trouble herself with learning the intricacies of running a business in a foreign land.

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To be honest, most women here can bake and decorate cakes perfectly well. I think you'd be hard pushed to make a go of it.

 

However if you are really good at it then you could offer classes/private lessons. A much more marketable option.

Especially if you have a profession accreditation or certificate in cake decoration.

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Just a little thing to add, the laws depend entirely on the region / state you are in.

Also it is not allowed to mix commercial and private baking. That means, you can not do a home based baking if you do not have a second kitchen entirely for the purpose of making cakes to sell.

If you wanna do it legal, you need a second kitchen which is up to the hygienic standards of a bakery / restaurant with separate refrigerator and all that.

 

This information is based on the State Thüringen, but as far as I know the standards for a second kitchen are basically the same everywhere.

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Since the OP hasn't been back on TT since she posted her question, it seems she's no longer interested in setting up business.

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Well she may not be interested in it anymore but maybe this helps some other people who think about such a thing.

I have done extensive research on this issue since I am planing to do something similar but it will take a little while longer until I will be up and running =)

 

Yes German laws especially about food preparation are long and complicated and all that but in the end they all make sense.

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Hi there

 

I would like to get some advice on selling homemade items (cake, cupcakes, cookies, etc) privately (ie. not wholesale) in Dusseldorf.

 

1) Can this be done in my own kitchen as it would be for private customers (like family and friends, birthday parties, etc) or would I need a second kitchen for this?

 

2) Would I need to register as a small business (for tax purposes)?

 

3) Would I need a Food Health & Safety Certificate? If so, can this be done in English here in Germany?

 

I have already been told that Germans are amazing bakers, etc. I don't want to take any 'business' as such away from them. I just love and enjoy baking and if I get the chance to bake for a birthday party of a distant family member (from my German husband's side), I just want to know if I am allowed to charge them for it or not.

 

Looking forward to hearing from someone 'in the know'.

 

Cheers,

SaffieGerm11

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I am pretty sure there is no such thing as "privately" selling goods that are produced purely with the intent to sell on. If all you want to do is make cakes for friends and recover some of the costs, then don't advertise to the public, make the cake, with a donation towards the effort, as opposed to a bill.

 

It may be small scale, and sold directly to consumers, but I doubt it could be classed as a private sale.

 

I reckon you will be looking at a minimum of a hygiene certificate, as well as a traders license.

 

Best of Luck.

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As soon as you state an intent to "sell" for anything more than the cost of the ingredients, thereby making a profit on your efforts then you become a business, so all the health, safety, legal and tax regulations apply.

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I am seriously considering introducing some bad-ass cupcakes to the citizens of Munich as I've been told by some German and British expat folk I should start selling those I made for special occasions :-) Maybe I should switch to various types of doughnuts then. What do you think? Is it too tricky to obtain all the paperwork? I am already self-employed, but not in a food business and can imagine the process will not be einfach. Is anybody here in a food business?

(this started as an innocent reply and look where it got)

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I would love to know how your businesses have evolved since.  Does anyone now sell cupcakes in Germany? That'd be so wonderful!!

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Not sure why some comments here needed to be so snide. @the.frollein There are myriad reasons someone doesn't come back to a thread in my case it was a mixture of not getting notified about subsequent replies, taking courses to improve my cake decorating skills and also trying to find work to support my move.  I actually ended up moving to Germany in 2015, I had my baby 2 weeks after moving and then became very ill meaning I needed to spend most of 2017 in hospital but six plus operations later I am walking again and doing much better although it remains ongoing and I am registered as disabled now.  I am still very much interested in opening a cake decorating business and have made several attempts to get going full time.  @FunnyLookingForeigner doesn't know what he/she/its talking about saying firstly that "most women here can decorate cakes" erm no they cannot, people think they can until they actually try it -it reminds me of when people tell me that they can play the drums because they have good rythym then get on a kit and resemble an octopus trying to put on 4 pairs of tights and have about as much co-ordination too... yeah okay.  On top of this a lot of things are hard to find here so it's not easy or economical to make cakes like it is in the UK.  I have sold a number of cakes since being here and they are always well received, we moved last year so I am trying to establish myself a bit more by making cake accessories such as my own fondant and flower paste and other cake decorating items, sugarpaste models, plaques and flowers for people to decorate their own cakes, again just doing the odd one or two has resulted in postive results.  I am not sure why @HEM and FLF felt the need to be unnecessary but I would like to thank those of you who took the time to post positive answers, they are appreciated now more than ever, ironically I found this thread again as I was looking up information on Google and this popped up. 

@ChrissyCupcake I appreciate your advice.  Thank you

@SaffieGerm11 and @mumikoj I hope you got your businesses off the ground and they are working.

@larissaTorten, yes I do make cupcakes and I sell and I am in Dortmund :-) Do you have a shop? Will you be going to cake and bake? Feel free to message me for a chat, maybe we can meet up and talk cake.

 

Take care everyone.

 

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On 11/8/2013, 3:35:24, thebrucer said:

If you can decorate cakes like this guy, you will make a fortune...

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 Thankyou @thebrucer There is an audience for everyone, some of the best cake decorators I know aren't making that much money commerically and the ones that by industry standard are "mediocre" are always busy.  I suppose it's the difference between Harrods and Primark, Harrods have far less customers than Primark but it's about whether you want quality over price. :-) So yeah I may not be as good as this guy but I'm good enough! :-D

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