How to find a responsive doctor for chronic pain

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I stumbled on this old topic today so a massive thanks to you @RPC for providing an update on the care your wife received.

 

I've recently moved from Ireland and I have MS and chronic pain. I'm due a set of trigger point injections and I'd hoped it would be easy to find a pain clinic here who'll do them. I'm starting to see now that that could mean waiting. We have private health insurance that my husband's company pay into. It's with an Irish insurer who specialise. I wonder would that speed up the refferal process or the fact that I can get my Irish consultants to send direct referrals to the German clinics. I'm still very confused by how it works here. 

 

I'm at the start of what looks like a bad pain flare and too much flying makes that worse so I'd love not to have to fly back to Ireland to get these done! 

 

I'm feeling very lost with the system here. I've yet to sign on with a GP and I'm hoping they don't try messing with my meds as I'm on a heavt dose of pain killers and muscle relaxants that I wouldn't get out of bed in the morning without. 

 

Thank you very much for providing doctor recommendations - it's great to have something to go on and I will look into those. If your wife hasn't heard of it look into the Melt Method. I highly recommend buying their long foam roller https://www.perform-better.de/en/shop/fascia-tools/roles-balls/melt-roller/?listtype=search&searchparam=melt& and the book. Obviously nothing cures the pain but it's the one way I've been able to get some relief to go about my day, particularly during a flare. 

Thanks very much and best of luck to your wife

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On 1/9/2020, 7:05:27, RosieF said:

I stumbled on this old topic today so a massive thanks to you @RPC for providing an update on the care your wife received.

 

I am glad I updated it on time.

 

On 1/9/2020, 7:05:27, RosieF said:

I've recently moved from Ireland and I have MS and chronic pain. I'm due a set of trigger point injections and I'd hoped it would be easy to find a pain clinic here who'll do them. I'm starting to see now that that could mean waiting. We have private health insurance that my husband's company pay into. It's with an Irish insurer who specialise. I wonder would that speed up the refferal process or the fact that I can get my Irish consultants to send direct referrals to the German clinics. I'm still very confused by how it works here.

 

I believe that most German doctors are happy to take private insurance. Since it is not from Germany, I do not know how it would work but between the doctor's office and the insurance, they should be able to work that out. As for referrals, they are usually from a German Hausarzt (GP). I would recommend taking the documentation to a German doctor. I highly recommend the practise of Dr. Messemer in Bockenheim. You can email them in English and they will respond. The doctors speak English and Herr Dr. Messemer is also a specialist in Anesthesiology. You can also email the office of Schmerz Zentrum Frankfurt in English explaining the situation and you might get a faster appointment due to having private insurance.

Now, if you need a neuro surgeon, I can recommend Dr. Mokhtare at the Neurosurgery practise near Frankfurt Zoo. Again, an email in English would usually get a response within a day.

 

If you use Gmail or use aggressive filters on your email client, please check the spam/junk folders for responses. I have had responses from doctors classified as spam a lot.

 

On 1/9/2020, 7:05:27, RosieF said:

If your wife hasn't heard of it look into the Melt Method. I highly recommend buying their long foam roller https://www.perform-better.de/en/shop/fascia-tools/roles-balls/melt-roller/?listtype=search&searchparam=melt& and the book. Obviously nothing cures the pain but it's the one way I've been able to get some relief to go about my day, particularly during a flare. 

 

Thanks a lot for the recommendation. I will pass it on to her.

 

All the best to you!

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Thanks very much @RPCand @jeba for the recommendations. Sorry I'm a bit slow to reply. I found an MS neurologist and thought that she may direct me towards a pain specialist but she said that MS pain is treated under Neurology in Germany. The thing is, when I asked her about treatments I have done in Ireland, such as trigger point injections, which have given me brilliant results, she said they do not do them here. She was brilliant for everything else regarding MS but I don't think she grapsed how severe my pain is, while it was born from MS it's since become its own condition.

 

I put off contacting the pain specialist because of having so many Neurology appointments but I'll get on to that ASAP and see who can see me quickly. 

 

Regarding the GP recommendation @RPC, do you know if there's parking outside and if it's fairly accessible?  I found a brilliant GP's in Sachsenhausen that I'd keep going to only it's up a couple of flights of stairs and parking is very limited in the area. I can only walk short distances so I'm struggling to find a GP's as parking seems to be a nightmare in Frankfurt and they have very few disabled spaces. 

 

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7 hours ago, RosieF said:

I can only walk short distances

Are you aware that you might qualify for a special parking permit ("Schwerbehindertenausweis") which allows you to park in no-parking zones if that´s the case?

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On 13/2/2020, 22:52:29, RedMidge said:

If you are living here and registered, should you not have German Health Insurance?


We’re only going to be living here for 3-4 years with my husband’s job so it made more sense for us to take out an international health insurance policy with a company in Ireland, it means wait periods and caps shouldn’t apply when we return there in a few years but in the meantime we’re covered while over here. I’m also still working remotely for an Irish company too.

 

On 14/2/2020, 06:02:31, jeba said:

Are you aware that you might qualify for a special parking permit ("Schwerbehindertenausweis") which allows you to park in no-parking zones if that´s the case?

 

Oh no I wasn’t actually. I have my disabled parking permit from Ireland, which is recognised across Europe and on the basis of this the council here in Frankfurt put in a designated disabled parking space for me outside our apartment and were happy that I didn’t need to be reassessed. I assumed then that the disabled badge would work the same way here as it does in Ireland  - you can park in disabled bays and any other on-street parking areas and it’s all for free and an unlimited time.
 

What is considered a no-parking zone in Germany as I’m guessing your car still couldn’t be left blocking traffic or causing a hazard? From what I’ve seen in our area there’s very few disabled bays and most the regular spaces are full all day. I can’t see where you could leave a car even if you had one of those special parking permits. I was chatting to a lady this week who says she’s having to drive 40mins outside Frankfurt to a good GP’s with guaranteed parking. Total madness. I’m only here a month so hoping with some scouting I can find a GP’s and a chemist that are more local 🤞🏻

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41 minutes ago, RosieF said:

We’re only going to be living here for 3-4 years with my husband’s job so it made more sense for us to take out an international health insurance policy with a company in Ireland, it means wait periods and caps shouldn’t apply when we return there in a few years but in the meantime we’re covered while over here. I’m also still working remotely for an Irish company too.

 

Are you sure this is accepted here as valid insurance?  It sounds like you have Irish private insurance like VHI and have taken out their international policy, so as to be able to return to your original insurance on your return to Irland without the penalties of being treated like a new customer regarding waiting periods, etc.  If you have not already done so, you need to find out if the policy you have is actually accepted by the Germans as adequate.  

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49 minutes ago, RosieF said:


We’re only going to be living here for 3-4 years with my husband’s job so it made more sense for us to take out an international health insurance policy with a company in Ireland, it means wait periods and caps shouldn’t apply when we return there in a few years but in the meantime we’re covered while over here. I’m also still working remotely for an Irish company too.

 

 

Oh no I wasn’t actually. I have my disabled parking permit from Ireland, which is recognised across Europe and on the basis of this the council here in Frankfurt put in a designated disabled parking space for me outside our apartment and were happy that I didn’t need to be reassessed. I assumed then that the disabled badge would work the same way here as it does in Ireland  - you can park in disabled bays and any other on-street parking areas and it’s all for free and an unlimited time.
 

What is considered a no-parking zone in Germany as I’m guessing your car still couldn’t be left blocking traffic or causing a hazard? From what I’ve seen in our area there’s very few disabled bays and most the regular spaces are full all day. I can’t see where you could leave a car even if you had one of those special parking permits. I was chatting to a lady this week who says she’s having to drive 40mins outside Frankfurt to a good GP’s with guaranteed parking. Total madness. I’m only here a month so hoping with some scouting I can find a GP’s and a chemist that are more local 🤞🏻

The Irish may accept this, but will the German Krankenkasse accept this?

Calling Johng or Starshollow!!

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No, RedMidge! No German Krankenkasse will accept it because the OP would not be running bills through them but rather between the doctor and the OP and the Irish private insurer.

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22 minutes ago, john g. said:

No, RedMidge! No German Krankenkasse will accept it because the OP would not be running bills through them but rather between the doctor and the OP and the Irish private insurer.

 

 

So do you have any advice on what @RosieF

and her husband should make their health insurance valid.  Or can they just fly by the seat of their pants and get away with it?  Especially regarding the fact she is seeking medical help for a pre existing condition.  What happens`?  

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Has Rosie checked with her Irish insurance that she is actually covered for her pre-existing condition?

If Rosie and her husband have only just moved, they should try applying for German public insurance asap as voluntary members. After three months, it is too late..

 

And German public insurance doesn´t exclude pre-existing medical conditions- however severe.

Of course, I do not know what is in Rosie´s and her husband´s plan or whether it is VHI.

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17 minutes ago, john g. said:

Of course, I do not know what is in Rosie´s and her husband´s plan.

 

No.  But was worried about the 3 month cut off for public insurance  Joined TT in August.

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Maybe Rosie was doing due diligence before coming over..no idea. Perhaps Rosie could comment here?

 

Disclaimer: I´m an independent insurance broker and authorised broker on Toytown.

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23 minutes ago, john g. said:

Maybe Rosie was doing due diligence before coming over..no idea. Perhaps Rosie could comment here?

 

Disclaimer: I´m an independent insurance broker and authorised broker on Toytown.

22 minutes ago, john g. said:

Maybe Rosie was doing due diligence before coming over..no idea. Perhaps Rosie could comment here?

 

Absotutely.  Would be very helpful to others in similar situations.

 

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:lol:It is definitely dangerous to move to Germany - or anywhere else - without checking out the health insurance laws and rules and regulations and the pros and cons in another society (speaking as someone who was without health insurance for seven years in my younger days and didn´t even think about it! )

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10 hours ago, john g. said:

speaking as someone who was without health insurance for seven years in my younger days and didn´t even think about it!

That would never have happened to me. But as my girlfriend puts it I was already born as an old man.

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13 hours ago, john g. said:

:lol:It is definitely dangerous to move to Germany - or anywhere else - without checking out the health insurance laws and rules and regulations and the pros and cons in another society (speaking as someone who was without health insurance for seven years in my younger days and didn´t even think about it! )

 

13 hours ago, john g. said:

Maybe Rosie was doing due diligence before coming over..no idea. Perhaps Rosie could comment here?

 

Disclaimer: I´m an independent insurance broker and authorised broker on Toytown.

 

What is the process of doing due diligence on healthcare?  Does checking back with your Irish private health insurer count?  I am also confused about what you can actually get away with here.  Surely someone without German approved health insurance could simply go to a doctor as a self payer, and claim back from their overseas insurance?  If you are EU you do not need a permit to be here, so do not need to provide evidence of German health insurance.   That is, anyone is this position just has to pretend they are on holiday over here if they get injured or sick.  Is it that simple?  Can you get caught out, and if so, are there even any repercussions? 

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On 2/13/2020, 10:44:23, RosieF said:

Regarding the GP recommendation @RPC, do you know if there's parking outside and if it's fairly accessible?  I found a brilliant GP's in Sachsenhausen that I'd keep going to only it's up a couple of flights of stairs and parking is very limited in the area. I can only walk short distances so I'm struggling to find a GP's as parking seems to be a nightmare in Frankfurt and they have very few disabled spaces. 

 

Unfortunately, it is street parking only and can be a bit difficult at times. I usually drop my wife off in front of the practise and then hunt for a spot. I usually find one within 100m. The good thing is that there is a lift. So, no need to climb stairs.

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