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Got attacked; Police refused to take my statement

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Hi guys,

 

I've moved to Berlin about five months ago, and so far I've been loving it (26 year old male from Holland).. I live right near Mehringdamm, and until last night I've felt really safe here. Sadly last night me and a friend of mine got attacked in front of our house. Basically a drunk guy from Serbia asked to be taken to a bar across the street. According to him he was too drunk to cross the street and needed some help. I walked up with him until my house and had a small chat with him. When I wished him a good night, he suddenly grabbed my friend (female) and said he was going to take her with him. I tried to grab him but he then pushed me to the ground. I managed to get up again and distract him enough for my friend to break loose. We ran to the front door of my apartment building and got inside. He managed to get to the door in time and got into the building with us. My friend ran up the stairs and tried to wake my flatmates, while I was dodging the guy's punches in the hallway. I managed to get passed him, open up my apartment door so we could get inside. Obviously we where both extremely shaken, with my friend in tears.

 

I called the police and reported an assault and it took about ten minutes for a police car to arrive. By that time the guy had left the scene. I went down to meet the police on the streets, and this is where I lost a fair bit of trust in this city. My German is quite acceptable (doing a course and having had 4 years of German in school) but since I was so shaken I asked them if they could speak to me in English. This request was greeted with a fairly aggressive remark from them about "coming here without bothering to learn German". I then proceeded to explain them in "broken" German that we were assaulted by an extremely aggressive person who was still on the streets trying to rob/assault others. They simply refused to listen to me. They kept looking at each other like I was crazy and made no attempt to even take any kind of action.

 

After trying to tell them about five times that I'm living/working and paying taxes in this city, and that I would really like them to do something, they simply told me that they could not help me if I spoke English (which I was NOT). They turned around and started walking back to their car. At that point I started shouting abuse at them (I did this in English) and basically told them to go fuck themselves. They did understood that part and suddenly managed to tell me they would arrest me if I'd say another word.

 

I went back inside, called the police again and asked for another police car to come by, to take my statement and do something about this extremely aggressive person walking the streets. They said they would sent another car with police who could speak English. This car never came (I waited an hour) and since it was already 7 AM and my friend was exhausted, we called it a night.

 

I'm writing all of this because I would like to know if there's anything I can do about this. Does anyone know if it's possible/worth the effort to make a case out of this? Can I file an official complaint against the police for this? I'm a pretty relaxed person, but this situation has seriously affected me, and I think their behaviour is completely unacceptable. I'm sure the attacker went on to be aggressive against others, and I don't even want to know what could have happened to a girl caught by him alone.

 

Thanks for reading, and for any advice someone could give me.

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Wow, that is deeply troubling. I'm so sorry this happened to you.

Getting mugged is traumatic enough without adding discrimination and neglect from the people who are supposedly there to protect you. Normally I find Germans to be so accomodating toward language barriers, I'm shocked to hear how you were treated, especially when public safety is at risk! Can I ask what neighborhood this happened in?

I don't personally have any experience with the law here (I'm American and have been in Berlin for about 5 months), but I will ask around to my German friends in case they know anything about the process or success rate of filing a complaint.

I also speak some, but not totally fluent German, and I always assumed that, in the event of an emergency like that, I would be able to get by explaining an incident to the police even if they didn't speak English, so if your experience is typical for Berlin then I'm really worried.

I wonder if anyone else here has had a cross-ling experience with the cops in Berlin?

I know it's frustrating that this guy is still on the loose and you didn't even get the satisfaction of filing a proper report about him, but at least you and your friend both got away unharmed. Hang in there.

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Hi, don't let his get in on you to much, you still have to enjoy Berlin, the main thing is your all ok, if you see this guy again keep on moving, maybe he was so drunk he cant remember, if he causes any problems again get the police again and sort it out, its not great that the police didnt help, when you think that he tried to drag the lady with you to a bar against her will, not cool at all, as cities go berlin is fairly safe, stay positive.....

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Go to the police station and make a statement about the whole thing, and also ask to lodge a complaint against the police officers who responded to your call last night/this morning.

Even assuming that you do not have the name and number of the officers involved, the police should be able to track down the officers in question.

 

Actually, you could lodge your complaint here:

 

http://www.berlin.de/polizei/service/index.html

 

- under "Beschwerden"

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Hey there,

 

sorry to hear what happened, I hope you will both be alright, have you thought about contacting the British Consulate, I am pretty sure there is one in Berlin. Hope this helps

 

Take care

 

The Scots

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Usually you would be expected to go to a police station to file charges. The police on the road will not take it. Their job is to resolve an emergency situation, not to take charges on file. As the gentlemen from Serbia had already disappeared they had no more business on the site. But surely from what you described their behaviour seems not to have been okay and you can file a complaint against them as well.

 

Given however, that you probably have no witnesses, they will simply have the excuse that they didn't understand you and therefore my guess is that nothing will come around anyway. On the other hand you seem to be guilty of insulting a servant of the state ("...told them to go fuck themselves..."), which is punishable. So if I were in your shoes I would only lay charges against that honorable Serbian guest in this country because otherwise the police officers might remember that you insulted them and lay charges against you.

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... have you thought about contacting the British Consulate,

 

- for somebody from the Netherlands, I doubt the BC would be of much help...

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This is awful. I'm sorry you had such an experience.

 

It may be worth contacting your country's Embassy/Consulate in Berlin for information/advice.

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Basically a drunk guy from Serbia asked to be taken to a bar across the street.

 

How did you know he was from Serbia and why is his nationality relevant to your story??

 

Even though you were upset, why were you hurling epithets at police??? I'm wondering if the police told the other police you were abusive to them and not to bother and that's why they didn't come back?

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Usually you would be expected to go to a police station to file charges. The police on the road will not take it. Their job is to resolve an emergency situation, not to take charges on file. As the gentlemen from Serbia had already disappeared they had no more business on the site. But surely from what you described their behaviour seems not to have been okay and you can file a complaint against them as well.

 

Given however, that you probably have no witnesses, they will simply have the excuse that they didn't understand you and therefore my guess is that nothing will come around anyway. On the other hand you seem to be guilty of insulting a servant of the state ("...told them to go fuck themselves..."), which is punishable. So if I were in your shoes I would only lay charges against that honorable Serbian guest in this country because otherwise the police officers might remember that you insulted them and lay charges against you.

 

Well, I dunno, jeba. You say the police on the road will not take it. I reckon getting mugged and the hassle the lady faced IS an emergency situation. I agree that swearing at the cops is not the best idea in the world, though.

I doubt if the Serbian " gentleman " in question is any better when he´s not drunk. Maybe next time he´ll come up against someone who´ll "remind " him of that without the police.

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Well, I dunno, jeba. You say the police on the road will not take it. I reckon getting mugged and the hassle the lady faced IS an emergency situation.

 

Of course, that's an emergency. But it had been no longer when the police arrived as the gentleman had left already.

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Of course, that's an emergency. But it had been no longer when the police arrived as the gentleman had left already.

 

If you´ve ever been seriously mugged, jeba, ( I sincerely hope not ), the emergency is there for a long while ( always?) in your heart, mind and soul. Of course, it depends on a person´s sensibilities..some shrug it off, some laugh it off , some suffer a long time.

There is NO excuse for people to attack unknown others on the street - NEVER.

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Well, and the cause of this emergency had legs, oder? He maybe used them to go round the corner and find another victim. I'd be pretty narked to discover that the person who just attacked me had been reported to the police shortly before, but they had refused to listen to the complaint because it was made in a combination of English and Crapdeutsch. The emergency was very much ongoing, both as john points out above, and because the bugger is still out there.

 

MrFloppy, that was appalling. I hope you and your friend get some resolution to this, but take the advice of those who recommend underplaying the rubbish policeman aspect, because, rightly or wrongly, they will get you for disrespect to a public servant.

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How did you know he was from Serbia and why is his nationality relevant to your story??

 

Even though you were upset, why were you hurling epithets at police??? I'm wondering if the police told the other police you were abusive to them and not to bother and that's why they didn't come back?

 

Well, we don´t know yet how the OP knew he was from Serbia. If it´s true, however, why shouldn´t it be relevant? It may make it easier to identify him.

Why not also delete the fact that the thug was a man? How about: " person assaulted me and my girlfriend "?

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Sorry to hear this happened to you.

Here's what you can do:

 

https://www.berlin.d...e/indexmitc.php

 

1. Scroll down to the bottom and chose "eine Strafanzeige erstatten"

 

Fill out the form and describe what happened. Let a German friend help you with the wording. Don't get emotional, just make it about facts.

 

2. Chose "sich beschweren oder bedanken"

 

Complain about how the officers treated you.

 

ETA: Just saw that robinson beat me to it.

 

By the way, maybe they really just didn't understand a word of what you said. My brother in law speaks very good German. Unless he gets upset. You can hardly figure out what he's talking about then.

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. Basically a drunk guy from Serbia asked to be taken to a bar across the street. According to him he was too drunk to cross the street and needed some help. I walked up with him until my house and had a small chat with him. When I wished him a good night, he suddenly grabbed my friend

Lesson #1, never help or pay attention to a drunk.Call the police if he is in bad shape.

 

Lesson #2, be prepared for a fight when approached by a drunk.

 

That is valid anywhere I guess.

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Beuel and Robinson: Thanks for the detailled description on how to proceed. I'll work on a description with one of my German friends and see how they handle it.

 

@Gaberlunzi: I honestly think there is no way this could have been avoided. I did not actively engage with him, he basically threw himself against me. Since the guy was twice my size my best option was to stray friendly. This has worked for me my entire life and I'm not going to let this one guy ruin my (maybe naive) way of interacting with people.

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I have had good experience using the Internetwache. I filled in the form (immediately after the incident) keeping the details quite simple; then a couple of days later, I got a letter from the Police with the name of the person on in charge of my case, asking for more details. As I felt that it was going to be quite complicated to write down everything that happened in details, I rang up the person in charge of the case and made an appointment to go into the station and make a proper statement. What I am trying to say is don't stress too much about filling in the internet form, but do do it, so that they have a record of the incident, and then they can contact you for more details which you can provide verbally at a time when you are calm.

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