Considering moving to Austria

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I was looking at the latest EU unemployment stats available:

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/eurozone-unemployment-hits-record-high_8.html

 

While Germany doesn't rate too bad, Austria seems to be the country in Europe with the lowest unemployment rate (4.55).

 

Is anybody who is already in Germany considering moving to Austria? Or just like me you're thinking of moving to Germany but willing to give it a go at Austria?

 

Or maybe you were in Germany and moved to Austria?

 

I know there are other threads about life in Austria. My main concern is the economic outlook and chance to find work. My German is so so, probably just enough to have a conversation in West Germany but I am not sure how I could fare in Austria.

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It might, just might, be helpful if you gave people a clue as to what it is you are qualified to do. Also, you would probably be better off asking on an Austrian forum where you can get more direct feedback.

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Not sure if it is true for all branches, but I have looked at a few positions in Vienna (which I consider to be a comparable city to Munich, in terms of cultural offerings, infrastructure and also cost of living) for project mgmt work, and have been so shocked at how low they were paid, that I gave up.

 

Not sure of the tax rates in Austria, but at less than half brutto what I can command here, I just felt it wouldn't be worth my time.

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While Germany doesn't rate too bad, Austria seems to be the country in Europe with the lowest unemployment rate (4.55).

 

 

 

My main concern is the economic outlook and chance to find work. My German is so so, probably just enough to have a conversation in West Germany

Although the national unemployment rate is useful for many types of economic analysis, it is pretty much useless in trying to determine whether your employment prospects are better in Germany or Austria. The unemployment rate varies by not only region, but also by profession. Even in the economic black hole of Germany there are many positions that can't be filled (however, they all require very specialised skills).

 

I'm not sure about Austria, however, in Germany there is not much demand for foreigners who can't speak German and don't have any special skills. On the other hand, the government has recently started a programme to help young EU citizens learn German and relocate to Germany to start an Ausbildung and there are also still many positions for experienced IT specialists and engineers who don't speak German (although the market for professionals who don't speak German seems to also slowly becoming saturated). As it has already been mentioned, it really depends on your skill set.

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You should consider that unemployment varies a lot by region, even in Germany itself, so I don't think comparing the national statistic of countries which such difference in size makes sense.

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you would probably be better off asking on an Austrian forum where you can get more direct feedback.

 

Do you know any, please?

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It's now fair to compare Austria (area 83,855 sq. km, population 8 million) with Germany (357,021 sq. km, population 80 million). Austria should be compared with Bavaria, which has similar size and population, shares common border and has a bit of common history as well as the language (Austro-Bavarian dialect).

 

Unemployment rate in Bavaria is also one of the lowest in Europe and is comparable to those of Scandinavian countries, about 4%.

 

Generally, all regions around Alps are doing well (Switzerland, Austria, Bavaria, South Tirol of Italy).

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The Austrian forums are fairly dead.

 

I had the imression www.virtualvienna.net was comparable. The members seem to lurk on TT for the circus entertainment we offer though. Lol

 

Fyi, Vienna is not Austria when it comes to the people. Austrians are fairly easy going but Vienna is full of folks that are full of themselves. I can tell you if my impression has been proven again after I'm there tommorow. :rolleyes:

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anybody that moves to country just because their unemployment rate seems lower, needs to get their head examined. And what are you going to do in five years time when the unemployment rate rises in Austria and it drops in Sweden for example...move to Sweden!!

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The members seem to lurk on TT for the circus entertainment we offer though. Lol

 

Brilliant...!! :lol:

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I know there are other threads about life in Austria. My main concern is the economic outlook and chance to find work. My German is so so, probably just enough to have a conversation in West Germany but I am not sure how I could fare in Austria.

 

Questions to ask yourself... what do you do beruflich (echoing Keydeck), how long would it take to get your German up to a decent working knowledge (B2 probably, others might argue C1...) ... and why Germany/Austria, Austria/Germany, Austria, but then again maybe Germany, erm... etc

 

You seem specific about German speaking countries, but unspecific about which one. Presumably that's why you're looking for pointers, but it all sounds a bit too vague and not very zielorientiert. imho

 

What are your reasons for considering going in the first place, apart from the economic climate?

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Generally, all regions around Alps are doing well (Switzerland, Austria, Bavaria, South Tirol of Italy).

 

Friul, Venetien, Lombardy and Piedmont are "around the Alps" too, to be completely honest. And they're not fairing that well...

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Expat forums in Austria-- there are 2, virtualvienna.net and vienna-expats.net (but TT is much bigger and more active.)

 

Living in Germany and Austria-- I have lived in both, although my experience is far more extensive in Austria. I lived in Germany for a term as a student, and now in Austria for well over a decade married to an Austrian, with Austrian children, and a job here.

 

People in Austria tend to think Austria is better-- but I have to say that I personally preferred Germany. It's hard for me to compare things like salaries as I never had a job there-- but I personally think the local salaries here (I am in Vienna) are low compared to the cost of things. Better selection of consumer goods in Germany (not just in shops but there are quite a few businesses I have run across over the years that will ship to and within Germany but not Austria-- even though both are in the EU and using the Euro, slightly lower sales taxes (I think it's 19% there now-- please correct me if I am wrong) versus 20% here. From what I know of the tax system there i think it would be better for families (here my husband and I can't pool our incomes together or do any sort of "Steuer-Splitting" whcih I find dumb because as a family often the expenses/money pool is the same.

 

I also find the Germans to be easier to deal with than the Austrians. Yes, the Germans are still formal compared to what I was used to-- but they have nothing on the Austrians, especially the Viennese. (Then again the Viennese are "special"-- my husband's Austrian relatives form the provinces even make comments about the Viennese and when I travel within Austria I am often beter received when people realize I am an American, not native Viennese.) In general I tend to find the Austrians to be rather provincial and think that the world revolves around their Alpine republic, which it does not!!

 

Some things are very similar. For me the language was not similar and was the hardest thing for me to deal with. I learned a great portion of my German while living and studying in north Germany. The vocab words I was using there often didn't work for me when I first came here. I might add that I did not find the Austrians to be especially helpful, especially when it was clear I was a foreigner in the process of learning and I was at least attempting to use their language-- heaven forbid that I ordered a Tomatensalat instead of a Paradeisersalat for a tomato salad, for example.

 

Oh and I might add that I think Austria is a smokers' paradise!

 

There are some nice things here-- I like Austrian white wines (check out the Kamptal and Wachau regions or go to a Viennese heurigen), there are some nice museums here, the opera can't be beat-- but honestly Vienna always ends up in the top 5 of those best-places-to-live lists and for the life of me I don't see why!!!

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I visited Vienna once and that was enough. For all the hype I just found it sort of boring and stuffy. I could never work or live there. Steiermark is another story. Provincial but friendly.

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The Austrian forums are fairly dead.

 

I had the imression www.virtualvienna.net was comparable. The members seem to lurk on TT for the circus entertainment we offer though. Lol

 

and:

 

 

Expat forums in Austria-- there are 2, virtualvienna.net and vienna-expats.net (but TT is much bigger and more active.)

 

Thanks very much. I'll join both and I'll see if anything good comes out.

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