Abusive trainer at my son's judo class

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So then we called my BIL who is a lawyer to find out what we could do.

 

I appreciate any advice you can offer to help me get some kind of resolution and help my son to see that bad guys shouldn't win...

 

You have a relative who is a lawyer. His advice is likely to be better than us random folks on the Internet.

 

Do you have a Rechtsschutzversicherung?

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Yes, but he specializes in tax law, so he might not have known the correct answer at 10pm on Friday night. We do have Rechtsschutzversicherung. What I am wondering is do we really have to go through the whole court system or is there a quicker way to bring him to justice.

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Can you get a restraining order for your son against this man? Ask the lawyer about that. Complain to the dojo again. Show them the pictures of his injuries.

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I'm involved in a sport where I believe that violence against young people (or anyone for that matter) is NOT common.

 

Because its a sport that frequently involves young people its a concern - I have for example on my desk a brochure Gegen sexualisierte Gewalt im Sport. Its from the Deutsche Sportjugend: http://www.dsj.de.

 

The Bundeskinderschutzgesetz (applicable from 1st January 2012) is appropriate.

 

It might be worth contacting them and having a set of these brochures sent to the Judo club for open display.

 

Any responsible Verein / club should be wanting to clear this up rapidly - trouble might be with witnesses under pressure.

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I am not sure about cort and law..

 

But I train martial arts for 8 years, and I saw really many clubs and teachers, and I am coach myself, and I know - that kind of behaviour of senior club member isn't acceptable and in good martial arts or sport club that guy couldn't exist.

 

Happy with the court (honestly, it would suprise me if you accomplish anything), and find better club for your son!

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Please please pursue this.

Go see a lawyer asap, you BIL may have someone he recommends.

I would also contact the Jugendamt.

 

This guy is a horrid bully, and what example is he setting the kids in his class?

 

Also contact the club and tell them your intentions. If the bully remains there then find another club for your son.

 

Good luck :)

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A 50 year old man grabs an 11 year old kid by the neck and forces him to the floor in front of quite a few witnesses and the police want a doctors fucking note to prove it happened?

Is an assault on a 11 year old not enough to make them get off their arses and investigate it?

 

I'm not 1 of those people who believe kids should be pampered but fucking hell that's a joke.If you ring them up and say someone hasn't done their kehrwoche they'd be round like a shot.

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This butthead should get a visit from the police - child abuse.

 

Apologies: misread the post. But it´s still child abuse and horrible bullying. It SHOULD be a police matter and, if necessary, something to report to the press. Shame the bastard, at least.

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I'm confused by what 'versand' contact is.

 

The police told you to get pictures and get a doctors report? Did you go back to the police after that. If not then do so with that documentation.

 

Edit: Once you have been back to the police then they really should take notice. Make sure the judo club is involved. They have a duty of care for the children and should be preventing somebody like this being in contact with children.

 

Sadly child protection in Germany isn't as strong as the UK and I don't know the exact procedures here but the police really is the place to go back to. This guy could well be doing this to other children.

 

The respect that needs learning is on his side. And it could be very costly for him.

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A 50 year old man grabs an 11 year old kid by the neck and forces him to the floor in front of quite a few witnesses and the police want a doctors fucking note to prove it happened?

Is an assault on a 11 year old not enough to make them get off their arses and investigate it?

 

I'm not 1 of those people who believe kids should be pampered but fucking hell that's a joke.If you ring them up and say someone hasn't done their kehrwoche they'd be round like a shot.

 

of course you have to establish evidence about the extent of the in injuries. Whats the Problem?

 

Go to the Police Station with the doctors Report and they will take your testimony and the evidence and take it from there... But I believe that is what they have already told you... so calm down. Your lawyer relative is also right. The lawyer will prepare the civil suit and will be able to look into the progress of the state prosecutors investigation. Everything seems to be going fine...

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Can you get a restraining order for your son against this man? Ask the lawyer about that. Complain to the dojo again. Show them the pictures of his injuries.

 

Yes, that would be a great idea. I will go tomorrow to the police station and file the report and see about hte restraining order.

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"Vorstand" Correct. It was the first time I heard the word when we had to contact them. I obviously did not retain it well. :)

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of course you have to establish evidence about the extent of the in injuries. Whats the Problem? Go to the Police Station with the doctors Report and they will take your testimony and the evidence and take it from there... But I believe that is what they have already told you... so calm down. Your lawyer relative is also right. The lawyer will prepare the civil suit and will be able to look into the progress of the state prosecutors investigation. Everything seems to be going fine...

 

The thing is, I think this should be a criminal suit, not civil. I just cannot imagine that they were not willing to pursue it right away when we called them. We will see what action they take tomorrow.

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The thing is, I think this should be a criminal suit, not civil.

 

Two parallel suits. Criminal for the crime, civil for Schmerzensgeld.

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of course you have to establish evidence about the extent of the in injuries. Whats the Problem?

 

An 11 year old gets assaulted.

1st the police want evidence about the extent of the injury before they'll do anything even though there are many witnesses to the assault?

What if there is no visible evidence of the assault?

I have never heard of the police wanting a Dr to fill out a form before they'll actually get off their arses and speak to the person accused.

Surely this is a criminal matter?

If this is how things run in Germany normally then their victim care leaves a lot to be desired.

If you get burgled do they want a list of what is missing etc before they'll deign to come and look?

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I'm guessing that if the police were called right away when everyone was still there, then they'd come right out and investigate it. Since they weren't called until everyone involved including witnesses went their separate ways, they handle it differently.

 

The way they see it, if it wasn't important enough for them to be called right away, it's not important enough to respond right away.

 

I would address your son's trainer, who has the duty to care for you son, for not calling the police (or at least you) right away. It was his duty and he needs to feel just as much pressure for helping to sweep this under the carpet.

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I hope he gets some REAL punishment for this. This kind of thing can scar a child for life. Reminds me the post about the crazy guy attacking someone in their car. It seems you can get away with anything in Germany as long you are not pushing your bike after some beers or downloading a film.

 

Good luck, sue his a** off!

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