Problem with Romani beggars

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Well I'd be happy that an alert passer by saved your wallet! Think positive.

My policy is pretend they don't exist. Not say go away, or shout, or reason. Just act as if you can't even hear them. They'll mark you as difficult and seek easier targets.

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I know some hard working and honest Romanians. Are you perhaps referring to Roma? AKA Gypsies? Many Roma are from Romania but they are also from other places too.

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And yet I've known three Romanians who were good workers. All women. One was the Romanian receptionist at our Japanese pharma company in London. Married to a British guy, two young children. Very strict with them. And really good English considering she wasn't a graduate. If only the British graduates I worked with could have spoken good English!

 

Then there was a woman at the gym who used to give massages and facials here in D'dorf. Very pleasant woman. I think when the economic crisis broke out at the end of 2008, she lost too many customers and left that gym.

 

And then there was the checkout woman in Kaisers. Lovely woman, cheerful, always working, stopped to have a child.

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I know this post is about to earn me a record amount of negs for "biased" commentary, but I genuinely don't care at this point because I'm at my wit's end.

 

 

 

but you do...

 

Carry on.

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They have gotten quite bad here in Frankfurt over the past year. The Occupy Frankfurt situation didn't help any either, as they were all hanging out there. The Hauptwache is the gathering point, and on more than one occasion, the police have had them all rounded up for something.

 

You see them sitting in the doorways of the Dom, sometimes at the Alte Nikolai, walking back and forth between the Hauptwache and the Römer. Handing out roses, homeless ewspapers or having some kind of handicap are the favorite begging methods. Have seen them on the u-bahns walking just fine, carrying their crutch and then once they get upstairs, they start dragging their foot.

 

Don't know what the solution is, but when they come up to you, just ignore them, don't even look at them. If you must, say a terse "no thanks" and quickly move on. Report any illegal activity to the police they are near-by.

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As other posters have said, the people you are referring to are most likely Roma - not Romanians; however, I also find it extremely annoying. Not because of the people begging - I simply ignore them, because, as you say, they are very transparent. What makes me really sad and angry is when I see them using children; it utterly breaks my heart, and makes me so mad. I encountered a lot of them in Munich during last summer, and there was one particular woman who always hung around outside the HBF in Munich with a little girl about the same age as my daughter, and instead of getting me to feel sorry for her, all I could do was feel hatred for this woman for doing that to her child - even though I know that's wrong, and that probably she is being forced to do it by someone else.

 

I guess the best thing you can do is just ignore it - hard as it may be; because if you let it get to you, it will REALLY get you.

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Big problem in London with them on the underground system too. My sister is a train driver and they get a lot of complaints about the women begging with babies. All they can do is report it to the British Transport Police, but all they can really do is move them on. You don't want two burly coppers to be seen dragging a poor lady and her baby away, That's a human rights violation at it's finest, the Daily Mail would be all over that like white on rice.

 

We also have a few on the Main street in Stuttgart doing the draggy leg/crutch thing. They are often filthy, too filthy if anything, in that it looks as thought they've carefully 'applied' a layer of dirt. If you notice though, their shoes are always nice!!

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Problems with Romani beggars

Can they not find a job?!

why would they when the earnings standing around are high. most of them have nasty gang masters. they are treated as slaves.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/panorama/hi/front_page/newsid_9618000/9618038.stm

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I think Roma is the new politically correct word for gypsies with Romanian origin. At least in the country I am coming from. God forbid you call any 'Roma' a gypsy in there and these days. That is very against their human rights, apparently. But they are free to call you a 'white scum' and similar abusive words. It is a very complicated issue that would require a lot of time to discuss that through.

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You asked: Can they not find a job?

 

It's not that simple. Those children you see being put to work by their parents learn begging and stealing pretty much from birth. When they go to school, they are often discriminated against, or put in special classes. I think something like 1-2% of Roma people have any higher education? It may seem easy to say 'just go to school and get a job' but it's not easy to break out and live your life differently when you are born into this culture, and pretty much everyone else in the country hates you. I don't want to defend what they do, but I just want to point out that for many of them it's the easiest choice and doing anything different comes with a lot of challenges. That is why many don't just 'get a job'.

 

Anyway, my policy is to ignore them completely. Don't make eye contact. At some point, they'll probably start to recognize you and leave you alone since they know harassing you is pointless.

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God forbid you call any 'Roma' a gypsy in there and these days.

 

Yes, the term Zigeuner (gypsy) used to be used in Germany as well but is seen as a derogatory expression these days. (Except when you're talking about Zigeunerschnitzel, I guess.)

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There are a LOT of professional beggars in Fft and not all gypsy by a long shot. I can think of at least four who have been at it the entire 20 years I've worked here.

 

1) Zeil:Old Turkish guy w crutches, bends leg under butt to appear one-legged.

2) Katharinenkirche: Old wizened lady in black with cane and the shakes

3) Hugendubbel: mid 30's German guy with mullet haircut always sitting there. Very polite. He must have been 19 when I moved here.

4) Usually around Konstabler: Guy in wheelchair who plays keyboard with stick tied to his head. Guess what... he's not really a quadraplegic.

 

My all time favorite was a guy probably just passing through. He (or she) dressed themselves head to toe in black, put on some black gloves without putting all their fingers in, and sat there shaking and wobbling like some leper from the middle ages. The Herms were standing in line to give him money! He must have been taking in €500 an hour.

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You asked: Can they not find a job?

 

It would seem that they have one & it pays well (& is tax-free):

 

 

The Herms were standing in line to give him money! He must have been taking in €500 an hour.

 

A Vereinskollege relates how he encountered a beggar in Hamburg with crutch & 1 leg & 10 minutes later was almost knocked down by same "beggar" running at high speed (& on 2 legs).

 

Sounds like a pretty good buisness plan...

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Look around you at how the Germans standing near you react and copy them, you seem to be standing out somehow.A firm attitude is very useful.

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