Accused of torrenting copyrighted material

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I've just seen a story about this on the BBC Website talking about the monitoring of bit torrent addresses.

 

In this case they express doubt about whether any legal actions would stand up in court.

Anyway, I found it an interesting, albeit short, read.

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guys,

 

what is the average time taken between a person downloading things from torrent and one getting a letter? Also is this more common for songs,movies,games or adult stuff? Are there are statistics on this?

 

looking forward to your reply

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In 2011 there were approx 218,000 letters sent out (39% down from 2010) claiming 165 million euros (€412 million in 2010). Of those:

 

 

  • 43.1% were for MP3 music
  • 29% were for films
  • 19.7% were for pornography
  • 4.3% were for games
  • 3.7% were for Ebooks
  • 0.1% was for software

 

90.2% of the people written to agreed to a modified UE. 9.3% paid in full and 0.5% ignored the letter

 

Source

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thanks yorkshirelad6 !!

 

i couldn"t understand what the link says since it"s in german, but does that mean there is a 29% probability of you getting caught among all the torrent users if u are downloading movies ?...i just came to know of all this recently and trying to math the chances of getting caught if using torrent?

 

Also any chance of knowing if the focus of all these letters is german stuff or english,russian etc?

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No - it means that 29% of the people who were caught were caught for downloading (or rather uploading) movies. Heaven knows how many people actually DO upload movies, but bear in mind that the lawyers target particular titles or intellectual property of particular copyright owners. The language of the content is not relevant (and probably not even recorded), so long as the title or ownership matches.

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actually i was looking for the probability of being caught which would depend on the total no of people using torrent/other p2p etc but couldn"t find those figures anywhere.

 

also if the stuff is non german ( american or french movies, songs), the chances of german firms having copyright of those should be less

 

and is there any trend on the time between the downloading and one receiving a letter? previous threads mention a time period between 2 months to 6 months...also saw that most people using T are being caught..

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If you share copyrighted material, the probabillity is high...

 

If you dont Share, then it will be zero!

 

Go figure!

 

also, Copyrights are worlwide (typically) not country specific.

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Shall we wipe your arse for you too?

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is there any website where i can enter the file name and check if it is copyright and the owner?

 

Any intellectual property is implicitly copyright. Even your (and my) posts on this forum. It's up the copyright owner whether they permit redistribution. You can safely say that anyone commercially distributing their copyrighted material (i.e. making money from it) won't be very happy about anyone else sharing it for free if they can't get their pound of flesh.

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Has anyone heard of people being sent these letters for using youtube converter and suchlike to download mp3's? My sister was visiting me in Germany and used youtube converter to download a few mp3's on my laptop- I can't find any reports of people being fined for this, only for torrenting, but I've only just heard about these draconian fines and I'm getting a bit worried. :/

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Downloading, even from Youtube is not a problem. If the copyright holders have any problems with redistribution of their material over youtube they take direct action with youtube who usually pull it.

 

So long as your sister did not have torrent software running in the background, so was unknowingly offering downloaded material for subsequent upload you should not have a problem. This happens more often than people realise. I heard of one person who ripped a CD to his harddisk (perfectly legal for personal use) but stupidly stored the music in his Bittorrent download directory, so offered it for upload whenever Bittorrent was running (in his case, most of the time...)

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Hi,

unfortunately I got THE letter too. It's from Waldorf Frommer asking for 956Eur for sharing a movie for 10 min (which with the settings I use would have shared at most 6Mb, less than 1% of the movie). I was really surprised as I had read that they unly persecuited massive uploaders, but that's my mistake for not making a more in depth research. I have read the whole thread and still have some doubts. At the moment I see two options:

1) Send a modified UE

2) Get a lawyer

 

I understand that with the first option they might keep sending letters and there's a small risk of going to court.

But I still have unclear the thing of the lawyer, with some comments it seems that you pay about 300 Eur and you are free of it, but with others it seems to be that you pay 300 to the lawyer and then you pay the negotiated fine. If someone had the experience of paying 300 and not having to see things about this matter again, I would thank you if you could give me some advice or at least help me by letting me know who your lawyer was.

 

Thanks in advance

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Are you collecting votes and hoping for a majority decision in your favour? We just went though all this in a PM exchange (which I normally avoid as it defeats the idea of the forum in the first place, but for some reason treated you to an exception)

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Is anyone else able to verify the claim that Alice/O2 do not share their customers connection logs with copyright lawyers?

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Hi YorkshireLad6

I'm asking because I saw 2 or 3 posts that stated that they paid 100 for the fee plus 200 in charges, which is 300 in total.. but in what you told me and other cases it isn't... so I feel that having more information and advice from other members might help me see which is the best option for me.

Thanks for the PM... I didn't want to post in the Forum as I wasn't finished reading everything and wanted to avoid an answer that stated to read the forum :). I thanks you for your answer in the PM, it is very helpful because if speaking with a lawyer I now know which things I should ask.

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I'm actually wondering the same thing as Zehphyr. While this thread contains tons of valuable info, it seems like there might be some conflicting viewpoints.

 

I downloaded the modified UE from the link posted earlier, but have not sent it in because I have been trying to get an appointment with a lawyer first. But after a few weeks of calling and still no appointment, I am wondering if I should just send the M.UE in on my own??

 

Thanks for all the time and advice people have contributed to this thread!

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Has somebody used www.abmahnhelfer.de before?

They offer descent prices and seem to permit high number of clients.

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