Accused of torrenting copyrighted material

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I think I already said (wrote) that...

 

 

Rechtsshutzversicherung is unlikely to help beyond generic advice unless you are contesting the claim, as their opinion is that you knowingly broke the law in trying to obtain material that you know you should be paying for, and therefore were grossly negligent. They don't defend clear negligence.

 

 

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I got it covered by my Rechtschutz - they will take over the letter writing to the ISP (they are not allowed to give out the IP without proof of massive abuse, i.e. 1000 of downloads) as well as the law firm. I was told this is a common way to make money as most people are shocked into paying the fee in the very short timeframe they are given. The fee for this is the standard 200€ deductible which I will gladly pay. The fine should be about 100€ - so I saved lots of €€€

 

And of course I will never do this again! How careless and irresponsible of me!!!

 

I had heard that Toytown was full of angry, bitter know-it-all types, but suddenly it has become much more real to me.

 

Sadly it would seem that this country as ruined you! Or you were attracted to this country because you are predisposed to being nob-heads. Those haters that commented to show me how wrong I was have truly integrated here.

 

Thank you.

 

Now go suck an egg.

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aren't you happy for me? it all worked out... no stress and the problem is fixed. i am repentant and feel joyous.

 

i'm crushed that you vote my update down...

 

it must have been the egg sucking that triggered it.

 

now suck more.

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I had heard that Toytown was full of angry, bitter know-it-all types, but suddenly it has become much more real to me.

 

...

 

Now go suck an egg.

 

 

 

 

i'm crushed that you vote my update down...

 

it must have been the egg sucking that triggered it.

 

now suck more.

 

Never did get my head around people who complain about TT who then go and act in exactly the way they're complaining about. The higher moral ground is found by climbing not digging.

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aren't you happy for me? it all worked out... no stress and the problem is fixed. i am repentant and feel joyous.

 

I doubt the case has reached conclusion yet as your earlier post implied you had only just received the letter. Waldorf Frommer do negotiate, but they don't lie down and simply go away after the first letter is written. You (or your lawyer) can expect them to fight on a while yet, so the stress (such that it may be) is still there, and the problem long from being fixed, especially if you do it again...

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I guess that depends on the case or the lawyer. In my case, they (Waldorf Frommer) didn't respond anymore after the first exchange of letters and that was in June. I know they have 3 years to keep nagging you but in my previous Abmahnung with the rats of U+C (Urmann and Colleagues) they did respond always to every letter my lawyer send them and at the end we settled down for much more less (100 Euros) that what they were asking.

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Waldorf and Frommer hit me, too. My wife got scared and sent in the paperwork and paid before I could stop her. 989 Euro for 57 seconds of Resident Evil. Uploading only. Just wish I could turn off uploading in Vuze.

Not that I'll stop, I feel kinda strongly about being able to download. Uploading is a different matter. However, just wanted to point out, like I have read here in a few other posts, that most of the time, these frims will send one or two abmahnungen, and if you never reply, they usually just stop. It's not like the Polizei will come knocking if you don't pay the Lawyers. And it will not show up on any American Credit Bureau reports, not sure about the SCHUFA, tho'. Any input here?

I know it doesn't matter to the Germans, and probably most other countries for that matter, but I actually only download movies and TV shows for the purpose of providing the content to my fellow servicemembers in Iraq, Afghanistan and Co. Making a Morale drive for the network. Not as bad(good?) as DarkKnight, but I've got about 4TB total, gathered over a 5 year period. I know it is controversial, and yes, even illegal in SOME areas, but the benefits outweigh the risks in my particular situation... my opinion, at least.

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:lol: gotta love people's corrupted reasoning behind copyright infringement..

 

Paladinexxl, maybe you could enlighten us all as to which "areas" downloading copyrighted material isn't illegal? North Korea maybe? :huh:

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Denmark? Sweden? Wherever the hell it is that PirateBay is at...Canada...Africa...pretty much that whole continent. Next question?

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Oh, and just because you don't agree with my reasoning, doesn't make it corrupted. If you feel illegal is illegal, then ALL reasoning should be corrupted, or are you actually saying that there could actually be a "good" reason to illegaly download something? And if so, please provide that reason so I can use it.

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Paladinexxl: you might want to read up on how bittorrent actually works, Pirate bay only helps people finds the torrent files (the metadata to coordinate the download/uploading, it's basically a Google of illegal material).. e.g., Google doesn't host porn, it's just points to where it is, the same is true for PirateBay (it's an important difference).

 

And you may well be able to download as many movies as you like in places like Africa, China, etc. but lack of prosecution doesn't make it legal.

 

Just don't try and disguise your personal multi-terrabyte collection of movies as a moral boosting mission for the troops fighting the good fight, we all know you're downloading them for yourself to watch first and foremost.

 

To be honest I would have thought the Army would have a shitload of movies for troops to watch whenever they've downtime, if this isn't the case then I guess maybe it's because of the restriction on most DVDs are for "personal viewing only"? If so, then maybe buy the DVDs and send them over.

 

 

If you feel illegal is illegal, then ALL reasoning should be corrupted, or are you actually saying that there could actually be a "good" reason to illegaly download something? And if so, please provide that reason so I can use it.

 

Eh? :huh:

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No disguising it necessary, I'm sure thousands upon thousands of troops that served in the Baghdad area can attest to a drive made available under the Air Forces network. And no, the Army doesn't provide this to the troops, they'd be lucky to see Gone With the Wind if the Army provided movies. Movies come from sources like me, and from other non-profit groups sending stuff downrange. The Air Force DOES provide morale services though. And I help them. When I arrived in 2007, they had about 16,000 songs available in karaoke format. I added approx. 37,000 more.

so, now that we can see I am not ussing the "holier than thou" tone that you have used with almost everyone else here that made a mistake, kindly step down from your golden horse, repeat your opinion one last time that we are all criminal scum, and begone.

Keep in mind I don't claim to be a victim of a scam or anything else. I admit to what I did, which is downloading movies, not uploading, and I admit that I WILL CONTINUE. The others in here make other claims, and in every Democracy you are innocent until PROVEN guilty. The problem with the world is people like yourself who condemn others with not evidence that your assumptions are correct. But, I must admit, I do like the occasional argument, so, thank you for that, and thanks for nothing for not actually answering the 1 or 2 questions I posed in my original post, and instead immediately jumping onto my reasoning. :rolleyes:

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Oh, I forgot, the multi terrabyte collection also supports the morale of Soldiers and civilians here in Germany, and everywhere I go. And I have never wanted, nor do I ever want, a single penny for it.

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I admit to what I did, which is downloading movies, not uploading, and I admit that I WILL CONTINUE. The others in here make other claims, and in every Democracy you are innocent until PROVEN guilty. The problem with the world is people like yourself who condemn others with not evidence that your assumptions are correct.

 

You freely admit you download movies, that's my evidence, duh <_<

 

I can't really answer the questions to your original post, as I don't know the answers. I wouldn't have posted at all but the laughable justifications tagged on the end of your original post, trying to portray yourself as some kind of pirate patriot I thought needed to be addressed.

 

Although If I were you I wouldn't condone the head-in-the-sand approach, as things could get considerably worse for you if you simply ignore those letters.

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The law is the law, it is black and white, either you have broken the law or you haven't but you can't use some poxy "I'm doing it for the troops" excuse for doing something that is lawfully and morally wrong.

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Not to mention really lame and pathetic. Downloading movies for the troops - now I've heard it all.

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