'Flu Jab/Grippeimpfung

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Well, since my main job entails a LOT of contact to "the public", and they couldn't care less if they sneeze and cough all over you, I went and got myself a 'flu jab yesterday.

Today my arm is still very painful, and I feel somewhat under the weather... (which, I know, is regarded as "normal")

I was just wondering how many TTers get a jab, or don't, and what their reasoning is.

Thanks for any contribution!

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I got one last year and the year before and had no side effects other than a sore arm for several days. Didn't get the flu either! Before that I was pretty wary since I have a couple of autoimmune diseases and don't need my immune system fussed up any further, but after talking to a whole bunch of different doctors who all said it was OK, I went for it.

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My company even offers it free to staff, in order for them to stay fit and healthy and able to work - not too sure if I agree 100% with their reasoning, but I don't like being ill!

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My husband's company also offers it. He had his last week. He never gets sick anyway, but he figures better safe than sorry.

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We all have an appointment to have our Grippe Impfungen on Monday- the kids, husband and I. Absolutely, and it's covered under public insurance. I am on the high risk list, as are children. My husband does it because he wants the protection and if he didn't do it with us, his firm would offer it.

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It sounds like quite a lot of companies offer it - does anybody know if that is "standard" in Germany?

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I don't know if it's standard, but I suppose it would be in their best interests to offer it.

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Used to get laid up for 2-3 weeks every winter with flu until about 5 or 6 years ago when I finally decided to get the Grippeimpfungspritze. Now I just feel a little under the weather for a few days after the shot and a bit of a sore arm, but no more flu!

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This year I had no after effects at all. However, I had to wait until the second scheduled day at work because they ran out on the first. The doctor told me that he has never known such a high take up.

 

I know that, when I was in the Netherlands, they used to consider that if they could get a 70% + take up then it would break the back of it spreading. Not sure how accurate this is.

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I had one about 7 yrs ago... Felt shit for weeks after..

 

Since then I have saved myself about 250€ by not wasting my doctors time!

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Yup, get one every year, have for many years. Some years I have a bit of a muscle ache in the arm and feel a bit under the weather for a couple of days, but never anything to complain about. Definitely better than the alternative!

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Got one for several years in a row, as they were offering them at the Consulate, where I was working. No side effects at all. Have noticed no difference in getting the flu or not. I also work with the public, but just think I have a constitution that wards off the flu. Even colds only visit me about once a year now, and can't remember the last time I had the flu. That said, I don't use any anti-bacterial products and none of that hand sanitizer stuff that is so overwhelmingly popular in the US.

 

Now that I have posted this, will probably come down with the flu this winter.

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Another who gets one through the company.

 

I did talk with the company doctor about how necessary it is. He said for young healthy people not so important. Not quite sure what his definition and young and healthy is but happy I fit into it.

 

I'll probably continue doing it though. Two days slighly sore arm as a payoff for not being laid up with flu seems a very good deal. However I have no adverse reactions when I get it. I'm sure I'd think differently if I were one of those who do react to it.

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Have never bothered getting the jab at all. Result - never had flu despite my road warrior years, now perm. based in Munich working at a very large company as an external employee and having contact with 1000's of potential carriers these last 3 years. Company employees get the jab if they want for free, so like SP, I have saved myself hundreds of euros for not bothering my doc.

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I have never had diptheria, pertussis, or tetanus. By your view, why should I bother being vaccinated or having my family vaccinated?

 

In fact, for at least 30 of my years, I probably would have survived at least two of the three, so what a waste? Who cares about herd immunity, or making it difficult for communicable diseases to take off and become epidemic or affect those less able to stand the disease?

 

Why not carry it to the old, infirm, pregnant or otherwise immune suppressed? Not getting a free jab that causes, perhaps, a sore arm for a day makes more sense!

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I have the immune system of an elderly slug, and came *this* close to being hospitalised for flu a few years back (in my late twenties), so I always get vaccinated. (I'm on the reminder list at my GPs as being very high risk, despite my age.) I've always had minimal side effects, and I haven't had flu since - a few colds, yes, but nothing like that nightmarish three weeks in the past. Fingers crossed that remains the same!

 

It seems the logical choice for me, but I really only benefit. I do find a lot of people dismiss the vaccine if they get a cold or two that winter, even though there's a pretty profound difference between the sniffles and the flu.

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Having turned sixty this year, I'd get it free. I've no idea if I can be bothered, as I've only had proper flu twice in my life. I'm also dithering about whether to go for a mammography this year after reading how they're revising the advice for women in the UK. I've been eligible for a colonoscopy for the last five years, got a referral last year, but didn't go ahead due to having to drink the foul-tasting liquid first. Have now heard that there's a less foul-tasting liquid on offer now, so may give it a go.

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I have never had diptheria, pertussis, or tetanus. By your view, why should I bother being vaccinated or having my family vaccinated?

 

In fact, for at least 30 of my years, I probably would have survived at least two of the three, so what a waste? Who cares about herd immunity, or making it difficult for communicable diseases to take off and become epidemic or affect those less able to stand the disease?

 

Why not carry it to the old, infirm, pregnant or otherwise immune suppressed? Not getting a free jab that causes, perhaps, a sore arm for a day makes more sense!

 

That's a bit harsh. In Germany, the flu jab is recommended for certain risk groups (i.e. risk of severe course of the flu) and persons who have a lot of contact to such persons at risk or the general public, see Bundeszentrale für gesundheitliche Aufklärung:

 

 

Für wen wird die Impfung gegen die saisonale Grippe empfohlen?

 

Die Ständige Impfkommission (STIKO) empfiehlt die Impfung gegen Grippe insbesondere allen Menschen, die bei einer Grippe ein erhöhtes Risiko für schwere Verläufe haben. Zu diesen Risikogruppen zählen:

 

Menschen, die über 60 Jahre alt sind

Kinder, Jugendliche und Erwachsene mit erhöhter gesundheitlicher Gefährdung durch ein Grundleiden (wie z.B. chronische Krankheiten der Atmungsorgane, Herz- oder Kreislaufkrankheiten, Leber- oder Nierenkrankheiten, Diabetes oder andere Stoffwechselkrankheiten, chronische neurologische Krankheiten wie Multiple Sklerose)

Menschen mit angeborenen oder erworbenen Immundefekten oder HIV-Infektion

Bewohner von Alten- und Pflegeheimen

Schwangere

Außerdem sollten sich alle Personen schützen, die durch Kontakt zu vielen Personen ein erhöhtes Ansteckungsrisiko haben oder die gefährdete Personen in ihrem nahen Umfeld anstecken könnten: medizinisches Personal, Personal in Pflegeeinrichtungen und Personal in Einrichtungen mit viel Publikumsverkehr (z.B. Busfahrer, Lehrer)

 

Eine Impfung wird darüber hinaus auch Personen mit direktem Kontakt zu Geflügel und Wildvögeln empfohlen. Dadurch soll verhindert werden, dass sich die Erreger der „Vogelgrippe“ mit im Menschen zirkulierenden Viren mischen.

In sum: The flu jab is recommended for people older than 60 years, for children, youths and adults with certain chronical diseases, persons with immune defects or HIV infection, inhabitants of old-age or care homes, pregnant women, particular professional groups like medical personal, teachers, public transport employees. Finally, for people who have close contact with birds (on farms or in wilderness), in order to avoid the development of avian flu viruses.

 

I doubt that the healthcare system in Germany would be prepared to administer the jab to 80 million people in a short period of time (when the freshly designed vaccine for the predicted virus gets onto the market shortly before the start of the flu season), so it is reasonable to focus on the risk groups. If they get the jab, they are protected, and the rest can cope with the usual course of the flu, should they get it. I'm one of those who can't remember coming down with the real flu, not just annoying colds.

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It's also given to those in close contact with those groups (like parents!- or those who live with the elderly), those who are higher risk (I have had pneumonia several times and was also given the pneumonia jab) and freely given to many from their work-

the issue is not whether you should pay for it- my healthy as an ox husband is not expected to pay (and we have public) - but whether those who receive it free should turn it down because they "don't get sick".

 

Frame it as I can't afford it and I will look at it differently.

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I've gotten a flu shot every fall for the past 15 years or so -- except in 2000. My girlfriend at the time came down with what seemed like a nasty cold. I did what I could to look after her . . . and two days later I got freight-trained by The Flu. (Her immune system was better?) As other people have alluded to, the common cold (though unpleasant) is a joke compared to influenza. For the first three days, you think you're gonna die. After that, you wish you would die. At any rate, I dragged myself to the doctor after 5-6 days . . . and he ended up with the flu, as well. Long story short: I get a flu shot every September or October, no matter what. I also pester my mother (76) and my parents-in-law (67, 70) every autumn just to make sure they get flu shots, too, because they certainly could die of influenza.

For me personally, there are two simple arguments:

1) An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure!

2) I’m self-employed. If I’m out of commission for a good long while due to the flu, that’s a lot of income down the drain for no good reason (see reason 1).

Stay healthy, folks :-)

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