Life without alcohol

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On 18/06/2019, 19:26:53, hooperski said:

 

 

 

Would you say that your lifestyle is in keeping with Taoist beliefs?

Do you think your life is simple and in harmony with nature, or do you have a large carbon footprint due to your westernised style of living.

Cars, jetting off skiing etc.

 

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Me? Jetting? No need old chap. Six hours drive over the Brenner out of ghastly Germany lie the Dolomites. The biggest continuous ski area in the Alps... Sella Ronda huge fun. 

 

 

So you don't practice what you preach then.  Charlatan and champagne socialist.

On 18/06/2019, 13:29:43, hooperski said:

 

Nope I am not the Messiah I am a very naughty boy!

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On 18/06/2019, 19:52:03, Metall said:

 

*clap* *clap*

Well said. All on wifey's dime, too.

On 18/06/2019, 19:52:03, Metall said:

 

*clap* *clap*

Well said. All on wifey's dime, too.

On 18/06/2019, 19:26:53, hooperski said:

 

 

God she IS wonderful. But man that pool of her parents needs some maintenance. And the grand piano is badly tuned.

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Epic TT serious thread meltdown. Shame.

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4 minutes ago, emkay said:

Epic TT serious thread meltdown. Shame.

 

I agree. I actually had more that I would have liked to have shared on the experience, but I had to be happy with what I was able to get out there. It is what it is. 

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8 minutes ago, A.N.Other said:

 

I agree. I actually had more that I would have liked to have shared on the experience, but I had to be happy with what I was able to get out there. It is what it is. 

 

I would be very interested to hear more about your experience. Maybe the moderators might be kind enough to remove the now all too usual unpleasant digressions. 

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2 minutes ago, emkay said:

 

I would be very interested to hear more about your experience. Maybe the moderators might be kind enough to remove the now all too usual unpleasant digressions. 

Why don't you PM each other?

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11 minutes ago, fraufruit said:

Please do continue A.N.Other. I, too, was enjoying your journey before all of the dead horse beaters showed up.

 

Me, 3, I would like to have better understanding on this particular addiction, and like to understand why it is so hard to quit.

 

I said I cannot understand why people smoke or drink, because to me, the taste or smell upset me, and gravely displease me.

 

It is not the taste of alcohol, but getting turned off by it.

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15 minutes ago, SmurfLee said:

 

Me, 3, I would like to have better understanding on this particular addiction, and like to understand why it is so hard to quit.

 

I said I cannot understand why people smoke or drink, because to me, the taste or smell upset me, and gravely displease me.

 

It is not the taste of alcohol, but getting turned off by it.

It's not about you, it's about A.N.Other.

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11 minutes ago, French bean said:

It's not about you, it's about A.N.Other.

 

Strange post.!

 

Don't people who are intereted in this thread all try to relate A.N.Other's experience with theirs?!

 

When you try to attack anyone, try to do it more sensible way!

 

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5 hours ago, fraufruit said:

Please do continue A.N.Other. I, too, was enjoying your journey before all of the dead horse beaters showed up.

 

There really isn’t a point in posting anything serious on TT anymore. It will just get lost in the mass of off-topic bickering and one can’t really expect admin to keep cleaning this stuff up.

 

Plus I don’t really know what would happen if they did. Perhaps the thread would be closed, perhaps it would be removed, perhaps other things could happen to end it. I’m not trying to play a victim card or anything, it just seems pointless to continue. Thanks though. 

 

4 hours ago, French bean said:

It's not about you, it's about A.N.Other.

 

Thanks, but it isn’t about me, it’s about getting off alcohol. I get your point, but I think it’s fair game to say you can’t understand the addiction. A picture of your new shorts, not so much. :lol:

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49 minutes ago, A.N.Other said:

Thanks, but it isn’t about me, it’s about getting off alcohol. I get your point, but I think it’s fair game to say you can’t understand the addiction. A picture of your new shorts, not so much. :lol:

Know what you mean, it's like when someone dies, most people utter condolences and come out with all sorts about how they know how someone feels. Only the person going through a particular experience will know how it feels. But please don't be deterred by those bickering, if it helps you then please carry on.

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The preferred method, and the one I chose, is to go directly from detox to rehab, with no stops inbetween. I was picked up at Detox in Bayreuth by an employee of the rehab in Hochstadt. Nice guy and we just chatted for the 45 - 60 minute drive.

 

The alcoholics are treated differently than the drug addicts (for ease and because they refer to themselves in this manner, hereafter "druggies") in Hochstadt. The main building has the offices, cafeteria, therapy rooms and many 2-3 person rooms. One wing is for the women (of which there aren't many, maybe 10 or so) and the rest is for men. That is where the druggies stay for all or most of their stay.

 

About 100 meters down the walkway, there is a separate building with three floors and 5 or 6 rooms per floor. The first two floors are for alcoholics in SINGLE ROOMS. The top floor is for druggies very close to their release date, who have been on their best behavior for their entire stay and who the staff feel can be trusted. They get TWO MAN ROOMS. That means the alcoholic gets a single room in an unsupervised house on day 1, while a druggie with very few (I'll probably get to that at some point) exceptions will always have at least one roommate. Most druggies never even make it to this house.

 

The other side of that house is basically a mirror image, but only the top floor is rooms for those who stay on for "adaptation" after their rehab is finished (I may or may not get to that at some point I didn't do it so I only know a little about it). The other floors are for Ergo Therapy, a computer room, and an office or three.

 

Anyway, once I got there, the first thing they did was take any money I had over 60 € and put it into my patient account. Then they sat me down and asked me a bunch of questions and took my bank and credit cards. Then when it was time to get my stuff over to the other house (where the alkies live) a patient came over and asked the personell if he could help carry my stuff over, which he did. I don't know if he was just a really nice guy or if he just wanted to see what the other house looked like (druggies aren't allowed in the other house unless they live there), but he never asked me for anything in return.

 

My stuff now on my bed, in my single room, they dumped it all out. They took my nasal snuff, which I didn't really care about, and were trying to figure out if I was allowed to have my chewing tobacco or not. I had a shit load of chewing tobacco, enough to last 4 or 5 weeks of my 15 week stay. People were allowed to smoke, but they weren't allowed to use vapes, since that is too similar to smoking out of a pipe, and they just never had anyone whose main method of nicotine consumption was chewing tobacco. I was there to quit drinking, not to quit chewing, so I told them that was "KO Kriterium" for me, and I was checking out if they took my chew. They called the head Dr. and he approved it. So far so good. 

 

They also took my water cooker or kettle as the brits say, but I was able to get that back once the Hausmeister checked it out. I could have gotten a receipt for my nasal snuff to retrieve upon release, but I told them just to chuck it. I can't recall that they had to take anything else from me. I pretty much knew what I could have and what I couldn't have.

 

To be continued at a later date ...

 

ETA: I should probably add that there are about 12 Alchoholics and around 80 druggies in this facility at any one time.

 

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