The worldwide occupy movement

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One in five of the protesters when quizzed didn't know why they are protesting.

 

It's generally considered polite to at least toss in a link to make yourself seem credible.

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I'm just stopping by to drop off a picture and to read some posts.

 

Simplified capitalism pyramid

 

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Too true, Lavender. Too true..but I´m afraid all -isms are a failure. I used to be a hot-blooded socialist but I only need to be pushed out of the line at the supermarket to realise humans are mostly greedy, selfish and incorrigible.

 

 

 

Took me a while to work that one out.

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It's generally considered polite to at least toss in a link to make yourself seem credible.

 

Since you are too stupid or lazy to google (ideal OWS material).

 

IX. Don't Know: Close to one fifth of all the respondents interviewed responded "Don't Know."

from:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ali-hayat/occupy-wall-street_b_1089079.html

 

Seems they want everything and they think they will achieve it by parking their butts on sidewalks.

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More equality / More equal distribution of wealth is one of their demands. One in five of the protesters when quizzed didn't know why they are protesting. Since you didn't know that, maybe you are in that particular part of the group.

 

 

I followed the link you posted and it says something quite different than what you did.

 

 

Question: "If you could enact ONE policy to address America's problems today, what would it be?"

 

 

Close to one fifth of all the respondents interviewed responded "Don't Know."

 

 

Not knowing how to fix a problem is much different than not knowing what the problem is.

 

The fact that so many just want to attack, only want to see things in terms of sides and/or cannot respectfully disagree will only keep these problems going longer. And that is true if you are conservative, liberal or what ever you choose to call yourself.

 

Some times it is best to step away and take a deep breath. Differences only strengthen a society, requirements to conform can be very damaging.

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Since you are too stupid or lazy to google (ideal OWS material).

 

Why is it contingent on me to try to confirm your assertions, which, quelle surprise (google it), turned out to be false? I'm lazy?

 

 

Seems they want everything and they think they will achieve it by parking their butts on sidewalks.

 

Worth a try, I say. Working for Obama's campaign and voting for him certainly didn't achieve much, did it?

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This is funny and pretty interesting. OWS naturally has it's own class structure. That question, "Is there a course in condescension that everyone is taking around here?" does seem rather apt, to say the least. I'm definitely a sympathiser, but you got to keep aware of the (potential) absurdities.

 

Another Daily Show vid

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A Majority of Americans (Including Both OWS and the Tea Party) AGREE on the Most Important Issues … We Just Don’t Realize It

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/majority-americans-including-both-ows-and-tea-party-agree-most-important-issues-…-we-jus

 

<snip>

As Rassmussen found only last month (as summarized by KXLF news):

Today’sRasmussen Reports survey finds that most Americans don’t like bailouts for financial institutions.

60% Oppose Financial Bailouts; 74% Say Wall Street Benefited Most

Survey of 1,000 American Adults

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• Just 20% think it was a good idea for the government to provide bailout funding to banks and other financial institutions, but 60% say otherwise.

• While many activists try to link the Republican Party and Wall Street, Republicans think the bailouts were a bad idea by an eight-to-one margin.

• Those not affiliated with either major party think they were a bad idea by a four-to-one margin. Democrats are much more evenly divided. Thirty-four percent (34%) of those in the president’s party say the bailouts were a good idea while 42% disagree.

• Overall, 68% believe that most of the bailout money went to the very people who created the nation’s ongoing economic crisis, but 12% disagree and 21% aren’t sure.

 

</snip>

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Agreeing that there are certain problems does not mean that those same people will then agree on the solution to those problems. Therein lie the (MAJOR) differences between both OWS and the Tea Party.

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Everyone has the choice to participate in a process in which compromises are potentially forged and solutions are proposed or to revert to a divisive, partisan, binary mentality. Of course, there is currently the choice to do absolutely nothing as well.

 

If you choose the path of mediation, you may find that you need to sit down and discuss issues with people you find disgusting. But you can rest assured that those people probably find you disgusting also. ;) (it is a general remark and not focused toward you).

 

If a solution would simply drop out of the sky, it wouldn't be necessary, but we face difficult problems and finding solutions will involve some sacrifice.

 

It is ultimately a personal choice.

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I get it that Protesters do have a point and its now clear that they also have an agenda. But is there any solution for this outbreak. Recession happened once, it could happen again.

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Everyone has the choice to participate in a process in which compromises are potentially forged and solutions are proposed or to revert to a divisive, partisan, binary mentality.

 

 

What process is that? If you're talking about pulling the lever for one or the other equally corrupt political parties, I say that exercising that choice is, at the moment, an utterly futile exercise.

 

In addition, it's been shown that not everyone has equal representation in our government. Cue OWS.

 

I was in Wisconsin last summer for some fairly parochial recall elections against a handful of state senators. The full upshot of the Citizens United decision was in gaudy display in the districts where the recalls were being held. Nobody knows how much money was spent on those recalls (because one of the results of CU is that you can't track those facts effectively anymore, or where the money is coming from), but $35 million was the guess, for challenging 9 state senate seats. More than $35 million was spent on the recall races. In 2010, $19.3 million was spent on the entire state legislative campaign (115 seats), and $37.4 million was spent in the race for governor. This in a state where the main budgetary issue was that the state is "broke" and "can't afford" to pay teachers, nurses, and other public employees a reasonable wage.

 

This is the first national election cycle post-Citizens United. It's going to be obscene.

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I get it that Protesters do have a point and its now clear that they also have an agenda. But is there any solution for this outbreak. Recession happened once, it could happen again.

 

 

What do you mean with "outbreak"? The outbreak of Capitalizm or the one of the Protesters?

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a reasonable wage.

 

Cincia, do you know what a reasonable wage is? A reasonable wage is a wage which is greater than what everyone else gets.

Everything else is a poor wage.

The problem in general with Occupy movement is any wage at all.

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There isn't half some bullshit spouted about 'Welfare handouts' encouraging peeople to doss and rely on the state, when in reality a lot of them are (certainly in the UK) actually more biased towards those with wealth already.

 

Take Housing Benefit as an example - driving up the price of renting houses in the UK, and putting the cash straight into the pockets of landlords.

Or the millions the British govt. spends every year on handouts to people who've been daft enough to handover large amounts to travel companies (who've then gone bankrupt) months/ years in advance of a holiday. Or the millions handed out to companies to try and stimulate growth, who simply bugger off elsewhere when the hand stops feeding them (in my town it was Ericsson). Employment benefit is now no more - the state is making claimants work at major supermarkets for their £45 a week, despite this being borderline slavery.

 

I couldn't really care less if I lived in a socialist state or a capitalist state, I'm smart enough and physically able enough to sort myself out whatever, and I'm never likely to find myselgf at either the top or bottom rung of the ladder. However what is wrong with most Western Government policy nowadays - with the UK probably the worst - is the 'Capitalism for the poor, Socialism for the rich' policy which prevails.

 

As such I generally identify with Occupys aims, but having been down to the Frankfurt site a couplee of times for a look round I don't really want anything to do with them - it appears to have turned into a Feminist / Lesbian training camp.

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As such I generally identify with Occupys aims, but having been down to the Frankfurt site a couplee of times for a look round I don't really want anything to do with them - it appears to have turned into a Feminist / Lesbian training camp.

 

LOL. Did you get their cooties?

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Michael Moore offers the following - in case you missed it.

 

Where does OWS Go from Here.

 

 

10 Things We Want

A Proposal for Occupy Wall Street

Submitted by Michael Moore

 

1. Eradicate the Bush tax cuts for the rich and institute new taxes on the wealthiest Americans and on corporations, including a tax on all trading on Wall Street (where they currently pay 0%).

 

2. Assess a penalty tax on any corporation that moves American jobs to other countries when that company is already making profits in America. Our jobs are the most important national treasure and they cannot be removed from the country simply because someone wants to make more money.

 

3. Require that all Americans pay the same Social Security tax on all of their earnings (normally, the middle class pays about 6% of their income to Social Security; someone making $1 million a year pays about 0.6% (or 90% less than the average person). This law would simply make the rich pay what everyone else pays.

 

Continued at link.

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I would think the following from Moore's list would be the most interesting for the TT crowd:

 

 

9. Require corporations with more than 10,000 employees to restructure their board of directors so that 50% of its members are elected by the company’s workers. We can never have a real democracy as long as most people have no say in what happens at the place they spend most of their time: their job. (For any U.S. businesspeople freaking out at this idea because you think workers can't run a successful company: Germany has a law like this and it has helped to make Germany the world’s leading manufacturing exporter.)

Work councils! But only for very large corporations.

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