What made you leave Germany

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Hey Irish,

I have thought all day on what you say, and this is my answer for you:

Take a holiday there, dont move right on back, you do not seem positive about this, how long have you been gone for? Perhaps too long? Its bad in these parts, and is getting worse, its real gloomy. Even stay two to three months, if it is possible, let them think you are there for good.

Then decide, I hope this helps.

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I travel back and forth between the US and Germany. In a year I'll probably be back for a while... but except for time spent in the city, I find people very friendly. City people are busy people... I don't think people smile or greet me in New York or Washington DC either. I find myself having to adjust to the friendliness when walking around towns and smaller cities in Bavaria, because I'm continually greeted by people I don't know with Grüß Gott! That said, America is the same when you leave the cities, especially "down south." Maybe it's just a southern thing everywhere?

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25 minutes ago, gemini said:

I am breathing a HUGE sigh of relief that after 16 years in Europe (11 in Germany and 5 in the U.K.) that in 7 weeks we will board the Queen Mary and head home to the USA!  

 

Afraid to fly or just wanting a nice way to travel back to the US? I am just curious about it as I've thought about what it would be like to take a cruise ship to the US.  I've actually never been on one so I have nothing to compare. ;)

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@rhody this will be the second time we are doing the Queen Mary.  This time mostly because we were able to get a space in a dog kennel...so the new puppy gets to travel in style rather than risking a long flight.  They have a big deck and are out all day.  

 

Second, because it is a great way to arrive with no jet leg, well rested, free childcare and no cooking or cleaning for a week.  The QM2 is not like a typical "party" cruise.  It is actually quite quiet and serene...which is fine by me.  There is dancing and entertainment at night, and a casino and films, etc...but it is like being thrown back in time, as everyone is dressed to the nines...classy.  

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What a wonderful way to go. All the best for your journey and your new life. Do come back on and tell us all how it's going.

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It's an amazing experience crossing the Atlantic on a cruise ship. Five days with nothing to see but sky and inky-blue sea. It will give you time to properly reflect and say your goodbyes to Europe. Enjoy!

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Kind of envious you are going to the States, but kind of nervous for you as to what you will find there. I hope the infrastructure/lifestyle is better than Britain, as I am told the UK has really gone to the dogs.

 

As to your mode of transport, definitely envious. Does the ship dock in New York sort of bypassing Ellis Island? That would for me be an experience.

 

Gem you've been like me* a TT lifer. it has changed so much over the years and helps to quell the loneliness we all feel out here. 

 

Good luck.

 

* I joined in 2003. Jesus 13 years ago!

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Yep...sails right past Ellis Island and the Statue of Liberty.  NYC is where I was born and raised...so good way to return home.  

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4 hours ago, gemini said:

TT has been a huge gift to me in the years I have been the lonely expat.  It has gone through a lot of changes since I first joined close to its inception...and was living in Munich, where I knew so many of those on at the time.  But it really has been a life saver.  

 

Nail on head thing. it really is a lonely existence here innit? We Anglo/Us are individualists/eccentrics which this culture doesn't value so highly.

 

I'm influence a lot by US stuff. At the moment I am catching up with a bloke Tim Ferriss who wrote "The Four hour Work Week" which was a best seller back when.

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34 minutes ago, gemini said:

And damn Americans are a friendly and smiley lot.  A very nice change after the more serious and dour Germans. 

 

Concur. I remember the air hostesses asking me to just speak British English for its own sake on my flight to LA to ESRI in San Bernadino. 

 

In Germany smiles waste muscles.

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Americans have a DEFINITE thing for a British accent...motherland and all that.  My first serious boyfriend was British, and his accent is probably why I stayed with him 2 years too long!  

 

Now I have been married to a Kraut for 16 years...not quite the same effect :P

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I haven't yet left Germany, but I'm thinking. The first and foremost reason is the decaying infrastructure: the railways (Italy, France and Spain have better high-speed trains, Switzerland has more punctual ones), the state of the Internet (slow, 2 weeks at a minimum to get a DSL connection setup, lots of archaic laws against file sharing), the clogged autobahns, the archaic German banking system (many shops still not accepting credit cards, or even debit cards), the bad customer service, the "Abo mentality" of many services...

 

I'm also not a big fan of German food...too much meat, too few vegetables.

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Infrastructure? Jesus the Autobahn here is brilliant! Internet? Prety good DSL in my town, even superfast is coming.

 

Banking? Thank god they don't encourage American/UK debt to buy everything here.

 

Customer Service? Always treated nice when i spoeak German in every shop.

 

Now if you mean the food...please please have you space in your car? :) It is bloody fecking shit here. There you have a point. Never an easier country to lose weight in when most of it is inedible.

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17 minutes ago, jeremy said:

Now if you mean the food...please please have you space in your car? :) It is bloody fecking shit here. There you have a point. Never an easier country to lose weight in when most of it is inedible.

It's funny how views differ. While I may be biased since I am German. I feel that American food tends to be much unhealthier than American (and no, it's not just burgers and fries). But even Americans that have traveled to Germany prefer German food over their own; they feel it is fresher and healthier... but then again, aren't we all our own masters and can choose what we eat? I do my best here in the US to either cook my own food or pick restaurants where I can have options, and I do the same when in Germany.

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I'm with the Septics on the food thing. How often do I hear Germans directly, rudely tellling me my own food is horrible, so often. I wouldn't dream of saying such rude things to a German directly. 

 

The greatest innovations in the world of food are happening in the UK/US/n Spain/Scandinavia. The top best restaurants in the world have been from these places. Noma took it from el Bulli last few years (I visited El Bulli post closure - it is like Mecca for me!) We were the first to experience the health crisis and are now the earliest to start to solve it with paleo diet, Atkins, etc.

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3 hours ago, jeremy said:

Infrastructure? Jesus the Autobahn here is brilliant! Internet? Prety good DSL in my town, even superfast is coming.

 

Banking? Thank god they don't encourage American/UK debt to buy everything here.

 

Customer Service? Always treated nice when i spoeak German in every shop.

 

Now if you mean the food...please please have you space in your car? :) It is bloody fecking shit here. There you have a point. Never an easier country to lose weight in when most of it is inedible.

 

In my experience, all of these things are shit in Germany. The DSL is appalling, worst in Europe...

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2 hours ago, LostBetweenCountries said:

 I feel that American food tends to be much unhealthier than American (and no, it's not just burgers and fries).

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42 minutes ago, jeremy said:

I'm with the Septics on the food thing. How often do I hear Germans directly, rudely tellling me my own food is horrible, so often. I wouldn't dream of saying such rude things to a German directly. 

It's not rude in the German book, it's just honest.

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