Secondary Schools in Heidelberg

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well done kato! perhaps we can get this into the wiki so updates can be made much easier? am in awe!

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One thing to add still though, this is more to fill in some information:

 

Colocated elementary schools also exist at two of the three Realschulen, Johannes-Kepler-Realschule and Theodor-Heuss-Realschule. The third Realschule, Gregor-Mendel-Realschule moved its campus away from its colocated elementary school last year.

Unlike the five colocated public elementary schools listed with the entries above (with Hauptschulen, Werkrealschulen and IGH), in these two cases the elementary schools are completely separate organizations though. Schulzentrum Mitte (Helmholtz-Gymnasium, Willy-Hellpach-Schule, Julius-Springer-Schule) also similarly has a separate colocated elementary school.

 

In addition to the eight public colocated elementary schools, there are ten other public elementary schools in Heidelberg for a total of 18. All public elementary schools are tied to school districts, and school children have to either visit their district elementary school or an acknowledged private elementary school. Only two quarters in Heidelberg have dual school districts, Ochsenkopf (selection between Fröbelschule and Wilckensschule) and Ziegelhausen (selection between Steinbachschule and Neckarschule).

 

There are, according to the City of Heidelberg website, currently six acknowledged private elementary schools in Heidelberg. Aside from the three colocated with Englisches Institut (tuition for Grundschule: enrolment €2,900, annually €5,520 including lunch), Waldorfschule (see secondary school, elementary level integrated) and Freie Christliche Schule (Hauptschule), these are:

 

 

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Good post kato - why not add the Sonderschulen too? Like Graf von Galen-Schule in Pfaffengrund for example.

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btw, is the Waldorfschule financed by SAP?

 

No, and not by the Astor clan either. For their concept see here.

 

Waldorfschule is among a number of schools in the above list where you effectively have to subscribe to their philosophy to some extent. Not judging this, but if you're not into "the scene" certain schools in the above list may not be for you. This does include some public schools, Kurfürst-Friedrich-Gymnasium for example is a Classical Humanist school.

I've intentionally refrained from adding such information to the above list other than including references for the religious schools to keep people's options open.

 

 

Good post kato - why not add the Sonderschulen too? Like Graf von Galen-Schule in Pfaffengrund for example.

 

Because Sonderschulen are not really considered secondary schools in Germany. They do not - and are not required to - use a standardized curriculum, and only offer secondary degrees as external testing. To some extent Waldorfschule follows the same path by the way (in both of the above points), but usually Waldorf students aren't special-needs kids, and Waldorfschule is open to anyone.

 

You do not really have much selection in that field either:

 

  • Graf-von-Galen-Schule for mentally disabled children
  • Stauffenbergschule for vocally disabled children (mute/deaf/etc)
  • Klinikschule Universitätsklinikum for inpatients of the childrens' clinic and the child/youth psychiatric clinic
  • Käthe-Kollwitz-Schule, Förderschule for children with learning disability
  • Robert-Koch-Schule, Förderschule for children with learning disability

 

Children with other physical disabilities have to use schools outside Heidelberg, either Stephen-Hawking-Schule in Neckargemünd or Martinsschule in Ladenburg. These schools are co-financed by the Cities of Heidelberg and Mannheim, Rhine-Neckar district and Bergstraße district in Hessen.

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I'm thinking Kato could earn a pretty decent living being a german culture guide/assistant/consultant for expats and probably a few natives as well... :)

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Explaining secondary degrees (note: this is specific to Baden-Württemberg):

 

Since this is a complicated topic, and most of the available graphics and such on this tend to be rather confusing, let's make this sort of path based. Going through school in Baden-Württemberg everyone effectively finishes two secondary degrees (or drops out at some point). Even if some may sometimes be called by different names, there's a relatively simple layering there that effectively branches apart and back together.

 

There's also a graphic on the last page of the Schulwegweiser linked above, if you want to try that. ;)

 

Coming in from elementary school. There are three possible "recommendations" your child will receive from elementary school after 4th grade, and you're technically bound to this "recommendation".

 

 

  1. Werkrealschule recommendation
    • Qualifies for school types: Werkrealschule, Hauptschule, Förderschule
    • Possible first secondary degree depending on school type: Mittlere Reife (Werkrealschule), Hauptschulabschluß
    • Duration of school to first secondary degree: 5-6 years

     

    [*]Realschule recommendation

     

    • Qualifies for school types: Realschule, Werkrealschule, Hauptschule, Förderschule
    • Possible first secondary degree depending on school type: Mittlere Reife (Realschule / Werkrealschule), Hauptschulabschluß
    • Duration of school to first secondary degree: 5-6 years

     

    [*]Gymnasium recommendation

     

    • Qualifies for school types: Gymnasium, Realschule, Werkrealschule, Hauptschule, Förderschule
    • Possible first secondary degree depending on school type: Mittlere Reife (Gymnasium / Realschule / Werkrealschule), Hauptschulabschluß
    • Duration of school to first secondary degree: 5-6 years

     

    [*]Attending a non-conventional secondary school

     

    • All non-conventional secondary schools listed above are comprehensive, and can be entered with any recommendation
    • Curriculum and degrees are individual to the school used
    • Internationale Gesamtschule Heidelberg
      • Two-year comprehensive "orientation phase"
      • Followed by branching into the three recommendations (1. to 3.) at 7th grade
      • Lateral move between school types within IGH / educational reassessment possible every semester

     

    [*]Waldorfschule Heidelberg

    • Eight-year comprehensive school, 13th grade available to reach Allgemeine Hochschulreife (Abitur)
    • Grants all above degrees, as well as Allgemeine Hochschulreife (Abitur) through external equivalency testing
    • Lateral mobility to other schools is complicated

     

    [*]Heidelberg International School

    • Eight-year comprehensive school
    • Follows International Baccalaureate program
    • English language education only
    • Possible degree (IB) is legally equivalent to Allgemeine Hochschulreife (Abitur)
    • Lateral mobility to other schools is complicated

     

     

     

 

Now we have the first secondary degree, granted after 9th (Hauptschulabschluß) or 10th grade (Mittlere Reife). All first secondary degrees qualify for vocational schools.

 

 

  1. Mittlere Reife (Gymnasium)
    • At Gymnasiums: Granted with completion of 10th grade
    • Qualifies for attending 11th grade at a G8 General Gymnasium, G9 General Gymnasium or Vocational Gymnasium
      • Possible second secondary degree: Allgemeine Hochschulreife (Abitur)
      • Duration of schooling to second secondary degree: 2-3 years

     

    [*]Qualifies for Vocational Schools

     

    • Possible second secondary degrees: Fachschulreife (full-time schooling), Certificate of Apprenticeship (apprenticeship with part-time schooling)
    • Duration of schooling to second secondary degree: 2-3 years

    [*]Mittlere Reife (Realschule / Werkrealschule)

     

    • At Realschulen: Granted by passing testing and completion of 10th grade
    • At Werkrealschulen: Granted by passing testing and completion of 10th grade, special curriculum from 8th grade on (additional classes, otherwise comprehensive in 8th/9th grade)
    • Qualifies for attending 11th grade at a G9 General Gymnasium or Vocational Gymnasium

     

    [*]Qualifies for attending a "10+" grade to qualify for attending 11th grade G8 General Gymnasium ("grade 10+" program only offered through IGH currently)

     

    • Qualification restrictions apply regarding grades in Mittlere Reife degree
    • Possible second secondary degree: Allgemeine Hochschulreife (Abitur)
    • Duration of schooling to second secondary degree: 3 years
    • Necessitated through the switch from G9 Gymnasium to G8 Gymnasium, with the former being non-existant as state schools now

    Qualifies for vocational schools
    • Possible second secondary degrees: Fachschulreife (full-time schooling), Certificate of Apprenticeship (apprenticeship with part-time schooling)
    • Duration of schooling to second secondary degree: 2-3 years

     

     

  2. Qualification restrictions apply regarding grades in Mittlere Reife degree
  3. Possible second secondary degree: Allgemeine Hochschulreife (Abitur)
  4. Duration of schooling to second secondary degree: 3 years

[*]Hauptschulabschluß

 

  • Not granted by Gymnasium (don't drop out during 10th!)
  • At Hauptschulen and Werkrealschulen: Granted by passing testing and completion of 9th grade
  • Degree is educational goal for Förderschulen, available through external equivalency testing
  • Qualifies for vocational schools
    • Possible second secondary degrees: Fachschulreife (full-time schooling), Certificate of Apprenticeship (apprenticeship with part-time schooling)
    • Duration of schooling to second secondary degree: 2-3 years

 

 

 

 

And then the second secondary degrees:

 

  1. Allgemeine Hochschulreife (Abitur)
    • Not a professional degree
    • Qualifies for universities to gain a professional degree through tertiary education

     

    [*]Fachschulreife

     

    • Usually granted with a minor Professional Degree (i.e. Certificate of Job Training)
    • Specialized in a particular job/field
    • Qualifies for attending 11th grade at a Vocational Gymnasium
      • Qualification restrictions apply regarding grades in Fachschulreife degree
      • Possible third secondary degree: Allgemeine Hochschulreife (Abitur)
      • Duration of schooling to second secondary degree: 3 years

     

    [*]Qualifies for Berufskolleg (Vocational College)

     

    • Possible third secondary degree: Fachhochschulreife
    • Duration of schooling to third secondary degree: 1-2 years depending on education paths
    • Fachhochschulreife qualifies for universities restricted to job-related study fields
    • Berufskollegs in Heidelberg are offered by Willy-Hellpach-Schule, Julius-Springer-Schule, F+U and HIBA (unlisted)

     

     

    [*]Certificate of Apprenticeship

     

    • Professional Degree
    • Specialized in a particular job/field
    • Qualifies for Berufskolleg (Vocational College)

     

     

  2. Possible third secondary degree: Fachhochschulreife
  3. Duration of schooling to third secondary degree: 1-2 years depending on education paths
  4. Fachhochschulreife qualifies for universities restricted to job-related study fields
  5. Berufskollegs in Heidelberg are offered by Willy-Hellpach-Schule, Julius-Springer-Schule, F+U and HIBA (unlisted)

 

 

There are some special options that vary from this, e.g. HIBA supposedly offers a vocational gymnasium entry for people from Gymnasium that have completed 9th grade. Bit suspicious in my opinion. Such things are the exception though.

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Found a little omission in my last post:

 

Mittlere Reife (Gymnasium / Realschule / Werkrealschule)

 

  • qualifies for Berufskolleg (Vocational College)
    • Possible second secondary degree: Fachhochschulreife
    • duration of schooling to second secondary degree: 2-3 years
    • effectively one-year full-time version of Berufskolleg for holders of Fachschulreife
    • in two-year version: preceded by one-year full-time schooling and internships as "buildup" (does not grant any professional degree)
    • in three-year version: grants a minor professional degree in addition to Fachhochschulreife (effectively combines Fachschule and one-year Berufskolleg in one school)

 

 

 

This part is important in that it makes it possible for someone going through Realschule to enter universities after 12 years of schooling just like someone going through Gymnasium. The person going down this path will be restricted to certain study field at university, and their last two years of schooling will already be specialized in that direction to prepare them for it. As an alternative the same person could go to a Vocational Gymnasium after Mittlere Reife, and reach qualification to enter universities through Allgemeine Hochschulreife (Abitur) without any restrictions after total 13 years of schooling.

 

Most direct paths to university:

 

For unrestricted admission:

 

  • IB School -> International Baccalaureate (12 years)
  • G8 Gymnasium -> Allgemeine Hochschulreife (12 years)
  • G8 Gymnasium -> Vocational Gymnasium -> Allgemeine Hochschulreife (13 years)
  • G9 Gymnasium -> Allgemeine Hochschulreife (13 years)
  • G9 Gymnasium -> Vocational Gymnasium -> Allgemeine Hochschulreife (13 years)
  • Realschule -> Vocational Gymnasium -> Allgemeine Hochschulreife (13 years)
  • Hauptschule -> Vocational School -> Vocational Gymnasium -> Allgemeine Hochschulreife (14 years)

 

 

For restricted admission:

 

  • G8 Gymnasium -> Vocational College -> Fachhochschulreife (12 years)
  • G9 Gymnasium -> Vocational College -> Fachhochschulreife (12 years)
  • Realschule -> Vocational College (2-year) -> Fachhochschulreife (12 years)
  • Realschule -> Vocational College (3-year) -> Fachhochschulreife + Minor Professional Degree (13 years)
  • Hauptschule -> Vocational School -> Vocational College (2-year) -> Fachhochschulreife + Minor Professional Degree (13 years)
  • Hauptschule -> Apprenticeship -> Vocational College (1-year) -> Fachhochschulreife + Professional Degree (13-14 years)

 

 

(actually, i'm not perfectly sure there myself right now with the vocational paths...)

 

Edit: Looking through the admission details at Johannes-Gutenberg-Schule for their 1-year vocational college i think the very last one might not work that way, and you might additionally need a Fachschulreife from a Vocational School.

 

Edit 2: Have finally wrapped my head around that, got it now. Will present later.

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Also, i think i've managed to clarify that point with HIBA admitting people who finished 9 years with no Hauptschulabschluß: Finishing 9th grade in Realschule or Gymnasium will qualify you for Vocational School. Bit unusual path though. HIBA's Vocational School for such applicants is therefore the three-year version that combines Vocational School with a one-year Berufskolleg.

 

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There is additionally also a backdoor into Vocational College that might be relevant for people here:

Proving 5 years of relevant job experience in the particular field you're signing up for in combination with proving Mittlere-Reife-equivalent educational skills.

 

This makes it possible to gain admission into a German university through one year of schooling (two years part-time) if e.g. you dropped out of school at a late point, or if your secondary degree doesn't satisfy German demands for university admission.

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Here's an attempt at tieing down the vocational confusion...

 

The problem is that there is a variety of offers on the table that run under identical names.

 

 

  • Vocational Gymnasium (Berufsgymnasium):
    • requires Mittlere Reife or Fachschulreife (or equivalent)
    • leads to Allgemeine Hochschulreife (Abitur)
    • duration always 3 years
    • specializes in particular field through offering some classes in that field
    • available at, with field:

       

      • Willy-Hellpach-Schule, field: Commerce
      • Marie-Baum-Schule, field: Biotechnology
      • Carl-Bosch-Schule, field: Technology
      • Carl-Bosch-Schule, field: Technology/Management
      • Carl-Bosch-Schule, field: IT
      • F+U Privatschulzentrum, field: Social Sciences (paedagogics/psychology)
      • F+U Privatschulzentrum, field: Commerce

       

       

[*]Vocational College (Berufskolleg):

 

  • requires Mittlere Reife or Fachschulreife (or equivalent)
  • leads to Fachhochschulreife and/or Professional Degree
  • typically offers an "assistant degree" with extra exam
  • in Heidelberg:

     

    • Target: Fachhochschulreife (2 years)

       

      • Julius-Springer-Schule, fields (side degree "Commercial Assistant"):

         

        • Translation
        • Commerce
        • Commercial IT

         

        [*]Carl-Bosch-Schule, fields (side degree "Technical Assistant"):

         

        • Communications/Design
        • Computer-aided Manufacturing
        • Automotive Mechatronics

         

        [*]F+U Privatschulzentrum, fields (side degree "Commercial Assistant"):

         

        • Translation
        • Commerce

         

        [*]Marie-Baum-Schule, field (side degree "Health/Welfare Assistant"):

         

        • Health and Care (first year only)

         

         

[*]Target: Professional Degree and Fachhochschulreife (3 years)

 

  • Johannes-Gutenberg-Schule (degree: Graphics Designer)

 

[*]Target: Professional Degree (2 years)

 

  • Johannes-Gutenberg-Schule (degree: BTA)

 

 

 

[*]Vocational College for Professionals (BKFH):

 

  • requires Mittlere Reife or Fachschulreife (or equivalent)
  • requires Professional Degree
  • leads to Fachhochschulreife
  • duration: 1 year
  • available at:

     

    • Johannes-Gutenberg-Schule
    • Carl-Bosch-Schule
    • Julius-Springer-Schule
    • Marie-Baum-Schule
    • F+U Privatschulzentrum

     

     

[*]Vocational School (Berufsfachschule):

 

  • requires Hauptschulabschluss (or equivalent) or higher
  • leads to Fachschulreife
  • duration: 2 years
  • replaces first year of an apprenticeship (only at Carl-Bosch-Schule)
  • in Heidelberg:

     

    • Carl-Bosch-Schule: Electrical Engineering
    • Willy-Hellpach-Schule: Commerce
    • Marie-Baum-Schule: Diet and Health
    • Marie-Baum-Schule: Home Economics

     

     

[*]Pre-Apprentice School (Berufsfachschule):

 

  • requires Hauptschulabschluss (or equivalent) or higher
  • does not grant degree
  • replaces first year of an apprenticeship
  • duration: 1 year
  • in Heidelberg:

     

    • Carl-Bosch-Schule:

       

      • Electrical Engineering
      • Automotive Technology

       

      [*]Johannes-Gutenberg-Schule:

       

      • Draftsman
      • Printing Technology
      • Painter
      • Photography
      • Hygienics
      • Metalworking
      • Media Design

       

       

 

[*]Apprentice Schools (Berufsschulen)

 

  • Take over schooling part of an apprenticeship
  • Several dozen specializations
  • Not attendable standalone
  • All schools listed under vocational schools and vocational gymnasiums, except F+U, offer this

 

 

 

Additionally to the above, there are other offers for professionals, usually leading to a second professional degree or similar; there are also two Master Schools in Heidelberg.

And there's of course BVJ/BEJ ("job preparation year"/"job entry year") which are basically just "completing your Schulpflicht by sitting around in a school".

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For Willy-Hellpach-Schule, for their Vocational Gymnasium:

 

  • Language Profiles: English / French ; English / Spanish ; English / Russian

 

WHS also offers an elective Bilingual English class in Global Studies (minimum 50% held in English).

 

Russian has a particular tradition at WHS, being taught there for over 30 years now. WHS has a partner school in St. Petersburg.

 

Info from their website, Language Profiles was unpublished in first post. Probably one of the worst websites of all the above schools - who the fuck simply links 10 PDFs as the sole source for information, and then even puts them in a frame so it auto-sizes to tiny?

 

Btw, i find it interesting that pretty much every Gymnasium-level school in Heidelberg seems to be offering Spanish nowadays. Ten years or so ago there wasn't a single one.

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I'm currently trying to assemble a like-wise list as in post #1 for the entire core Rhine-Neckar area. This will encompass probably about 120 secondary schools covering for a population of 1 million.

 

Would be helpful if someone could help me with one of e.g. these questions:

 

  • Will Käfertalschule be the sole remaining pure Hauptschule in Mannheim? (looks like it from my research)
  • Why is this school in particular district-free?
  • Why was the HWRS in Schönau denied WRS status for 2011/12?
  • I have rather conflicting info on the schools in Edingen; the Kultusministerium claims they have been merged as external branches into WRS Unterer Neckar, whereas their own websites show them as pure GS.
  • tuition at LernZeitRäume e.V.: I've got that as "3000 upfront for enrolment, 3000 as bank guarantee for the schools debtors" - that right?
  • does anyone have inside info on the tuition levels at the two Waldorf schools in Mannheim?

 

 

Formatting questions:

 

  • the above style in general alright?
  • i'm planning on adding some info here and there regarding specialties (e.g. regarding religious education)
  • i'm planning on splitting down a bit further, since there's some school models that don't exist in Heidelberg (e.g. colocated multi-tiered schools and Verbundschulen)
  • i'll probably split off the vocational stuff and put it separately, because that's going to be lengthy (Mannheim is an industrial city after all)

 

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The Werkrealschule is dead, long live the Gemeinschaftsschule - same thing in Green, quite literally.

 

Heiligenbergschule will lose its Werkrealschule component (i.e. its secondary school), Geschwister-Scholl-Schule will transform into a Gemeinschaftsschule and either Waldparkschule or Albert-Schweitzer-Schule will also transform into a Gemeinschaftsschule with the other losing its secondary school component.

 

IGH will retain its "C-Zug" Werkrealschule component in its current form since they are not treatable as a Werkrealschule.

 

Probable execution of above plans in school year 2013/2014, it seems.

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Excellent information, this is so helpful.

 

One more change:

Starting from next month, the letter of recommendation by the Grundschule is only this - a recommendation. It's no longer the teachers who decide which school the children attend from 5th grade on but the parents. If this results in a run to the Gymnasium, remains to be seen. I've also seen the opposite, teachers who beg the parents to send their child to the Gymnasium, and the parents don't want to.

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We have the freie Elternwille here in Lower Saxony and yes, a lot of parents do decide to send their kids to Gymnasium, but it hasn't really been a problem.

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How does it work though? If every single parent wants to send their kid to the same school then surely there will not be enough places? Would it then not come down to the teachers choosing which kids they want?

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It is a problem in Heidelberg in particular, since 60-65% of kids already go to Gymnasium now - it's sort of the default school already; the Hauptschule/Werkrealschule/Gemeinschaftsschule branch only sees less than 10% of kids in Heidelberg switching to them after grade 4, which is why the number of such schools is constantly reduced every couple years.

 

The gymnasiums in Heidelberg already do not have enough spaces to accomodate everyone's wishes, and there's a lot of "loadbalancing" involved already.

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What do you mean by "load balancing"? Also, a different question: is there no system of substitute teachers in Germany? My son missed most of the fall's biology class because the teacher took a group on a two-week international field trip. She came down with bronchitis on the trip and then pneumonia. The kids were just left alone for the biology class time for a couple months. While I'm at it, here's another question: why do kids have such complicated, dare I say, chaotic schedules? In the States it's pretty much first period is, say Math, all week long, second period is something else, etc. Here the kids don't even go in and come home at the same time each day and each day is seemingly a random shuffle of a subset of classes. As a former professor, I can assure you it would have driven me batty! Thanks for any cultural insight anyone can shed. I'm just so curious.

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