Violent crime in Germany

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you are not allowed to touch anyone who illegially breaks into your home. You will be arrested & charged for assult. Welcome to socialism!

 

Not true.

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Birddog welcome at socialism :P

 

German penalty law

 

Section 32. :

Self defense

(1) Whoever commits an act in self defense does not act unlawfully.

 

(2) Self defense is that defense which is required in order to prevent a present unlawful attack on oneself or on another.

 

Section 34.

Necessity as justification

Whoever commits an act in order to avert an imminent and otherwise unavoidable danger to the life, limb, liberty, honor, property or other legal interest of himself or of another does not act unlawfully if, taking into consideration all the conflicting interests, in particular the legal ones, and the degree of danger involved, the interest protected by him significantly outweighs the interest which he harms. This rule applies only if the act is an appropriate means to avert the danger.

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PUH-LEESE! Munich? Unsafe? Next they will be telling me it's not safe to ride the trains. I'm from Detroit. I love Detroit. Munich is a social utopia in comparison. Does that mean utopia is ideal, then? I still have some serious doubts...

 

one being... where's the fun? like, "it's a bit dangerous, but thrilling!" Only time I feel I am doing something "dangerous" is when I catch the cops checking me out as IF I was doing something "dangerous". whew. I am much more afraid of the police here, with all of their various unfriendly, pissed off expressions. I miss those cops in Detroit who actually did "Protect and Serve" as opposed to "Profile. Question. Request a strip down" I so often see here. hmm...

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Just more fear mongering. It sells.

 

Like Kathi, I've never lived anywhere as safe as Munich so I'm completeley relaxed. I feel icky when I go home to the US.

 

If you knew ARTE, you would know it's anything but fear mongering. I personally noticed how on busy weekends our bar district needs riot police which wasn't the case when i started going out in the 90's.

 

I deal with this, but i've had my share of violent incidents. The teenagers of today are different than just ten years ago. A blind person will notice.

 

edit:A few weeks ago a person died after being 'floored' on a night out here in Altstadt. But it didn't make national news, since it was an idiot who got himself killed instead of a 'hero'.

 

The scale on how far those kids go has changed.

 

Nobody says this is Mexico city, Baltimore or whatnot. But you have to know the place 10 and 20 years ago compared to now to make a statement.

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you are not allowed to touch anyone who illegially breaks into your home. You will be arrested & charged for assult. Welcome to socialism!

 

The third statement doesn't logically follow the first two. How does public ownership of the means of production relate to your misconceived notion that self-defense is illegal during a home invasion?

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Unlike the U.S. where your home is your castle, you are not allowed to touch anyone who illegially breaks into your home. You will be arrested & charged for assult. Welcome to socialism!

Welcome to hicktowngermany.com

First of all, badly informed as in "that's not true". Second of all you simply don't know what you're talking about. Would be interesting if you would explain the connection of home intrusion and social market economy.

 

edit: Sorry Schweins. Somehow only repeated what you said.

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The scale on how far those kids go has changed.

 

I wonder if there has ever been a generation of kids where the older generation has not said this or something just like it...

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Interesting link, alterjank. Although clicking on the tab "per capita" gives a more telling view, and Germany is a lot further down that list. (I was very surprised that Germany would rate so much more highly than, for example, New Zealand, until I clicked the per capita stats).

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According to this, US and UK rank 1 and 2, with the US being 3x worse than UK. Germany is 9th.http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_ass-crime-assaultsOn a per-capita basis, the numbers are 6th, 8th and 26th respectively.

 

One has to be careful with these types of statistics though. The definition of what actually constitutes "assault" can vary widely from country to country. In some places, a simple insult might be construed as an assault, where in other places, some types of physical violence might not be (or not reported at least).

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Unlike the U.S. where your home is your castle, you are not allowed to touch anyone who illegially breaks into your home. You will be arrested & charged for assult. Welcome to socialism!

 

Aside from the comments of other users above, relative to the non sequitur between socialist economy and self defense, I have a few things to add:

1) Do you actually know what socialism is/is like?

1.1) Have you lived east of the iron curtain before 1989?

2) Do you know the difference between socialism and communism?

3) If you dislike the fact that you can't kill someone because he or she is poor and maybe black and get away with it, why don't you go back to your country?

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...non sequitur between socialist economy and self defense...

poor and maybe black and get away with it...

 

Pot, meet kettle, kettle, pot.

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3) If you dislike the fact that you can't kill someone because he or she is poor and maybe black and get away with it, why don't you go back to your country?

 

Are you suggesting only poor and black people break into homes? You bigot.

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Are you suggesting only poor and black people break into homes? You bigot.

 

:lol:

Of course not... I'm referring exactly to the opposite, namely the disproportion of treatment between different so-called racial groups. I'm referring, for example, to the fact that if you shoot a white intruder in your house you might still face an actual investigation, while if you shoot a latino in the backyard of your neighbour when there is no imminent danger to your life or your neighbour's, then everything's fine and you even get demonstrations in your support, like it happened in Pasadena, TX a short while ago.

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I think they were in the front yard, actually... And it didn't help that they actually were scumbags who snuck in the country and participated in an organized theft ring so all the rednecks had a rallying cry like this idiot was an instrument of justice. The ruling by the Grand Jury was stupid, though.

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I wonder if there has ever been a generation of kids where the older generation has not said this or something just like it...

 

In my opinion there has been one. In the 80's many kids adopted a more 'spießig' lifestyle than their parents. I've heard many times that 'it was rougher' back in this or that period. I'm guessing the teens of the late 80's early nineties had it easier than previous and later generations. In "my" time i've even heard that the kids got soft and would not fight anymore.

 

I have made pretty direct observations about the subject.

 

Point is, "back then" parental generations wondered about the evil disrespectful kids. Nowadays a generation of similar thinking people goes down to 3-4 years. An 18 year old is puzzled about a 14 year old.

 

I started hitting the bars at 16 years old. I had to turn much older to see kids actually fighting with police. Throwing glass bottles at them or even trying to lid their car on fire. This simply didn't happen there in the 90's. A drinking district is a good way to measure, since it has never been a 'cosy' place.

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I honestly don't see any telephone booths on the dark, wooded roads around here. Before cell phones, I wouldn't want to be driving alone.

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Interesting comments. As I read it, as long as they break into your home, but do not touch, assult or treaten, you have no right to touch them. Hit a burgular with a baseball bat that's not touched or threatened you, as I read it, is not defense, so you'ld be done for assult. Just because he's cleaned out your valuables you still can't legally touch him. The scenerio I mentioned on my first comment was told to me by a retired German cop. Interesting. My father was a retired Irish cop in upstate NY with 42 years service. He had a different opinion on things, a bit like the creepy Irish cop in "LA Confidential". But then, the world was a simpler place in those days.

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