A German IPA is born

[iain 141]

Right, for an update on the american style beers now being produced in Bavaria Schoenram gets very passing grades. I just tried the IPA, Stout, Porter, Bavarian Pale ale, and a whole bunch of their german styles. Darn good stuff. I also listened to a presentation where the brewmaster from Schoenram was one of the speakers, and it is seems at least at schoenram it isn't a passing fad. According to the brewmaster, women are the driving force behind keeping interest up in the 'new' style of beers.

 

I also had the luck of getting a hold of the chocolate stout from Veldensteiners Bierwerkstatt and I must say it was also very nice. They seem to produce one or two different styles of beers a year for the Bierwerkstatt and if the chocolate stout is anything to go by it is something to look forward to.

 

The Hopfen fluch I have to admit is the least likable of the three. It seems to me that it is trying to much to appeal to a german, and in some way missing the mark on what it is actually trying to be. However it isn't a bad attempt.

[jagramon 0]

After reading this thread its quiet boring but my question is are there any stores that sells unique and/or a different selection of beer in Munchen? I've searched and I can't come up with anything other than Frische Paradies. Don't get me wrong, I've loved drinking the Munchen Helles, Dunkels, and Weissbier but I've been missing the craft brews I was drinking in the states (and true IPAs)..

[iain 141]

here and here are a good place to start. I know in munich pomeroy and winterbottoms can be a good place to find interesting british beers, and british allsorts does have some hook norton and hobgoblin.

[Lupo 42]

Absolutely fantastic if you can still find a bottle: Duckstein Braumeister Ed.. Brewed with Cascade, Amarillo, and Simcoe hops. 7.2% ABV.

[iain 141]

Oh that's crazy. I'd love to try some of that. Schneider weisse is also being awfully innovating as of late as well. They have the mein grunes with cascades, hopfen weisse with saphir dry hopping and now a tap x Nelson Sauvin a new zealand hop limited edition beer.

[sublime7727 1]

The only IPAs worth mentioning are the micro-brews out of California. Best taste, smell and color. Anything else does not compare. Some IPAs out of Colorado are ok but not quite on the level of California. If you would like to try a good American IPA here is where you start:

 

Stone IPA

Russian River Pliny the Elder (A double IPA but taste like a regular IPA)

Bear Republic Cafe Racer 15 (Very Rare, probably cannot find)

Coronado Islander IPA

Firestone Union Jack

 

If you pass the test then you are ready for the double IPAs

Firestone Double Jack

Karl Strauss Big Barrel Double IPA

Stone Ruination

Avery The Maharaja

[a.tuttle 1,757]

Is there any place in Berlin where one can buy Californian beer?

 

Could go for a Stone IPA, or a Russian River Pliny the Elder, or a Bear Republic Hop Rod Rye right about now. Sigh... :rolleyes:

[sublime7727 1]

Try Ambrosetti, through reviews on Beer Advocate someone has mentioned buying Sierra Nevada there which is a California brewed beer, but is more commercially available then the other beers mentioned. If they have that they might have other California brews but maybe not. If you do get sierra nevada the pale ale is far superior to their ipa, the ipa by sierra nevada by no means is a representation of the IPAs in California, it does not have the taste, color, or smell that the others due, and it lacks in alcohol content.

[justruss 380]

 

The only IPAs worth mentioning are the micro-brews out of California. Best taste, smell and color. Anything else does not compare. Some IPAs out of Colorado are ok but not quite on the level of California. If you would like to try a good American IPA here is where you start:Stone IPARussian River Pliny the Elder (A double IPA but taste like a regular IPA)Bear Republic Cafe Racer 15 (Very Rare, probably cannot find)Coronado Islander IPAFirestone Union JackIf you pass the test then you are ready for the double IPAsFirestone Double JackKarl Strauss Big Barrel Double IPAStone RuinationAvery The Maharaja

 

Why does nobody ever mention Pliny the Younger?

 

Anyway, Dogfish Head's 90 Minute IPA, specially on tap, could sit right at the top of your list.

[justruss 380]

 

do they drink red wine out of the fridge too?

 

And while I'm going through this thread... I guess I should point out that the "proper" temperature for many reds is slightly chilled. Some people say the whites come out of the fridge a little while before serving, and the reds go in for a little while prior to serving.

[lukelink 0]

Hello all. While i'm sure there is exceptional beer for everyone's own personal tastes throughout the world. OREGON (America) still holds the record for most breweries and most "World Wide" Awards for their beer and has so done this for the past 4 years. . . . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_breweries

Having grown up there (as you could probably tell) my tastes are actually quite narrow. i have traveled to a few dozen countries and sampled many styles off beer, but my heart lies only where the "HOP" can be found in abundance. Hops are supposed to be the 3rd ingredient in beer, however we all know it is almost non existent in most. this is probably why i like the IPA (especially the 'American" version) best.

I like reading that people are passionate about their beer of choice, but you (German, American and Brit) shouldn't either. . . especially if you haven't even tried them or actually know.

I'm excited to try the Hopfen-fluch (but it's a bit expensive to drink) or any others while i'm here in Germany. I miss the IPA alot.

[lukelink 0]

 

And while I'm going through this thread... I guess I should point out that the "proper" temperature for many reds is slightly chilled. Some people say the whites come out of the fridge a little while before serving, and the reds go in for a little while prior to serving.

 

 

The biggest misconception in wine is "room temperature". Everyone thinks they're talking about their own house room temperature, BUT "Room Temp" means the temperature of the 'room' the wine is stored in i.e. the cellar. which underground (all over the world) is almost a constant 55F.

[Small Town Boy 6,672]

 

Hops are supposed to be the 3rd ingredient in beer, however we all know it is almost non existent in most.

 

Not really, it's just that you can't taste them any more because your taste buds have been ruined by becoming used to massively over-hopped beers. "Subtlety" is not a word in the American language at the best of times and this is especially true in the American brewers' dictionary, which for the same reason is also missing the word "balanced". American IPAs are vastly more hoppy and bitter than the original British style ever was.

 

Of course that's not to say that American IPAs are "wrong"; they are what they are and they sell well. But you can't say that other beers aren't hoppy just because you are no longer able to sense subtle hop aromas.

[martinluther 126]

CindyinDE: if that little pix of yours was an insult to Americans, you are wrong. We are not all fat. And most of the people who ARE fat are on welfare. I weigh less now than I did when I was a senior in high school and I am a horsewoman, hiker and mountain biker. (US size 7 dress size). Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[Mikeyb87 2]

Ahhh how I miss my Cali IPA I just returned from a two week trip home (San Diego) and was able to bring back some IPA. I was able to bring back some Pliny the elder and stone Cali belgi IPA. I have not been able to find anything close to an IPA here in Hamburg which is really disappointing for me as I am a total hop head. I am open to all types of beers but I truly prefer IPA. I have heard that Stone brewing co is going to open a brewery in Europe but that will most likely not be for some time. If anyone knows where I could find anything close to a Cali style IPA in Hamburg or Germany I would be extremely thankful as now the only time I can get my hands on it are when I fly back home.

[CincyInDE 3,293]

 

CindyinDE: if that little pix of yours was an insult to Americans, you are wrong. We are not all fat. And most of the people who ARE fat are on welfare. I weigh less now than I did when I was a senior in high school and I am a horsewoman, hiker and mountain biker. (US size 7 dress size). Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

 

Sorry I missed this when you posted a few weeks ago. Did your mother drop you at any point while nursing?

[Lupo 42]

 

If anyone knows where I could find anything close to a Cali style IPA in Hamburg or Germany I would be extremely thankful as now the only time I can get my hands on it are when I fly back home.

 

These guys have Firestone Walker :-) http://www.braufactum.de/

[awyeahhh 11]

Does anyone know if i can get american/canadian/australian beer in a normal Getränkemarkt?

 

Since probably all people here are native english speakers, can someone tell me how I pronounce "drank"?

The A like in "Bank"?

[CincyInDE 3,293]

I've not noticed non-German beer in a Getraenkemarkt, but I don't go looking for it there. Hit has a Braufactum display cooler near the wines now.

 

Correct assessment of how you say "drank," assuming you are going from the English noun bank and not its German counterpart. :)

[Small Town Boy 6,672]

 

Does anyone know if i can get american/canadian/australian beer in a normal Getränkemarkt?

 

Yes, I know that it's not possible, apart from Guinness/Kilkenny and shit like Desperados.