A German IPA is born

[Alexnf 2,263]

We have these Braufactum stands for a couple of years here.

Even if you don't have a stand next to you you can order from their E-Shop: http://www.bier-deluxe.de/

 

STB: If you are into Lambics, consider ordering from http://www.bieresgourmet.be/catalog/

A 15Kg package would only cost about 12euro in shipping costs (they are in Belgium) and they have a huge range from the common ones to the rare (and unfortunately quite expensive) ones.

[mako1 864]

the reason we don't get much delicious franconian beer in München is that it is so cheap in Franken that none of it (or at least not enough of it) leaves. I could not believe the cost of beer in small town Franken.

 

They make great beer, but the cost of growing a few rows of Cascade or Chinook hops is no barrier for brewers. It is cheapest of course to buy what is already available, and it obviously sells well. They will innovate (change their recipe if you like) only when forced to.

 

Madison, WI, like Seattle, has developed a serious micro brew culture. Everyone with a spare room is opening a brewery. Some are pretty good.

 

There is nothing wrong with national distribution, Hutcho, unless you are not as business savvy as the big boys (Elysians master brewer quit recently, Seattle news). If you get huge orders, up production capability by borrowing, and then have A. Busch announce they want to re-negotiate, you might be up the crick.

 

Time will tell if the Germans/Bavarians accept hoppy IPA beers. Or the growing number of internationals will create a market (just like Halal meat).

 

Most of the German beers available in the US would not meet the technical definition of a craft brewer. All the München breweries for example are corporate owned (except Hofbrau) and produce too much to qualify. However, in the US they would be premium quality etc beers.

 

...drink local...

[Hutcho 2,227]

 

My local Edeka currently has bottles of Boon's Mariage Parfait, possibly the world's finest lambic, as part of the Braufactum range for €7.99 for 0.7l. It also has Schneider Weisse's current Tap X, a nice but not exactly groundbreaking Weizenbock, for €8.99. Because it falls under the category of "craft beer" they can get away with charging ten times the price of their (already world-class) "traditional" beers.

 

A lot of big brewers are trying to get away with this, just like the Becks Pale Ale you mentioned before. But the real reason most "craft" beer is more expensive is because they are producing in a much lower quantity and have much larger overheads. Also, in the case of many hoppy IPAs, they are using twice the amount of ingredients.

[yourkeau 7,721]

 

Also, in the case of many hoppy IPAs, they are using twice the amount of ingredients.

Not really twice. More than in normal beer but less than in bocks (which are just 20 cents more expensive).

I.e. IPA has ~16% gravity(Stammwürze), bocks > 18%, normal (Vollbier) 10-12%.

 

Eisbocks by Schneider Weisse can also be more expensive because of additional manufacturing step (freezing and removing water) but that doesn't justify 10 times increase.

[kaffeemitmilch 1,294]

I heard there's a shop in the Bahnhofsviertel in Frankfurt that has a wide range of beers. I forgot what it's called and where it is, exactly. Münchener Strasse? Anybody know?

 

I went to a small craft beer shop/bar on Oederweg a few months ago, but the ales were about 4-6 euro a 33cl bottle! I passed on it. Funnily, my friend ordered that, and I got something more 'bland', and he hated the IPA. So, we switched, hehe. Cha-ching! I don't remember what it was called either.

[kaffeemitmilch 1,294]

I just went to Hit and found a Braufactum case. They have Brooklyn beers too. I got a Braufactum Palor Hopfenbetontes Pale Ale, and I'm sampling it as I write. It's very underwhelming. I was expecting something like Mission St. Pale Ale, but it has very little flavor. It's sort of like a Newcastle with a hint of bitter, pale ale-ey notes. Very sad. I ought to have got a Brooklyn Pale Ale as well...

[Alfalfa 364]

 

I heard there's a shop in the Bahnhofsviertel in Frankfurt that has a wide range of beers. I forgot what it's called and where it is, exactly. Münchener Strasse? Anybody know?

 

I went to a small craft beer shop/bar on Oederweg a few months ago, but the ales were about 4-6 euro a 33cl bottle! I passed on it. Funnily, my friend ordered that, and I got something more 'bland', and he hated the IPA. So, we switched, hehe. Cha-ching! I don't remember what it was called either.

 

You must have been to Braustil on Oeder Weg. I don't know what shop near Hauptbahnhof you mean, but I'm a big fan of "Jedermann" in Bockenheim (Jordanstraße 13), which stocks a constantly changing range of beers, both German and international. I understand they now have a branch on Alte Gasse, too.

[Hutcho 2,227]

 

It's sort of like a Newcastle with a hint of bitter, pale ale-ey notes. Very sad. I ought to have got a Brooklyn Pale Ale as well...

 

The Firestone Pale Ales are the best Pale Ales in the Braufactum collection.

[ant3269 14]

how good is german beer

For any German speakers.This programme was broadcast on ZDF with TV Chef Nelso.n Müller.a good show,it freely admits that most German "Pils" tastes the same and the "Reinheitsgebot" is nothing more than a marketing slogan these days.Have a look

[yourkeau 7,721]

Piss is not the only type of beer produced in Germany, fortunately. Yes, it tastes the same, how else filtered pasteurized bottom fermented crap should taste?

[ant3269 14]

My brother was over from the Uk last week and we managed to try over 20 different sorts of beer brewed in Germany (from North to South) that were not mass produced same tasting Pils (Alt,Dunkel,Helles,Schwarzbier,Porter,Light ale,IPA,Weizenbier,Roggenbier,Landbier,Kellerbier,BockBier,Kölsch to name a few) You just need to find a good "Getränkemarkt" that stocks a good selection and you will find so many good beers (top and bottom fermenting) to enjoy.