How much do lawyers in Germany cost?

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Can anyone tell me about lawyer fee's in Germany? I also heard about Lawyer insurance..

Please give more details about Lawyer insurance company.

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The fees vary greatly per lawyer and per case.

 

As does the insurance depending what kind you want, just for car accident, rentals, all inclusive. PLus every different company offers different prices and plans, there is no universal set price.

 

I would suggest you contact a TT advertiser, it does not cost any more to use them and they can give you a comprehensive overview.

 

But keep in mind, no insurances will work with a preexisting issue.

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The fees vary greatly per lawyer and per case.

 

Lawyers fees are strictly regulated according to German law (Bundesrechtsanwaltsgebührenordnung), but for advice work a flat fee or hourly rate can be charged.

 

http://www.berlinfo.com/Worktime/Professional/legal_advice/index.htm

 

Scroll down here for Legal Assistance insurance, there are no all inclusive so be aware they don't cover cases before and not all cases afterwards either.

 

http://www.howtogermany.com/pages/insurance.html

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Of course, I just mean it depends on the circumstance. A lawyer sending a letter will cost less then a whole divorce case with estates to separate.

 

I also assume some would charge different prices hourly, keeps them more competitive.

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Lawyers fees are strictly regulated according to German law (Bundesrechtsanwaltsgebührenordnung)

 

 

 

I also assume some would charge different prices hourly, keeps them more competitive.

 

Would you like to rethink that assumption? I have added italics since the bold wasn't enough of a hint for you.

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Just because there is a cap or regulations does not mean lawyers cannot vary within the set perimeters.

 

When we dealt with lawyers different ones offered different quotes.

 

Please show me the quote from the law that says every lawyer must charge this exact amount per hour, that they dare not charge 1 cent less.

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One of our TT advisors that I have had great experiences was John Gunn.

 

You might give him a ring, you can see his TT advertiser page John Gunn & Partner

 

He does all types of insurances. He talks about legal insurances on his website too.

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quote The statutory fee constitutes a minimum fee in matters involving legal proceedings, such as law suits, administrative proceedings and the like. On one hand, this allows German lawyers to negotiate hourly-rate-based fees or even a lump-sum payment in the litigation context, but at the same time, it prohibits such fee agreement from handling the case for less than the statutory fee.

 

http://www.trust.org/trustlaw/country-profiles/pro-bono.dot?id=60eff6e8-29b8-42f8-a0c5-43b7246ca122

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Thank you lakey.

 

So when I understand that right, there is a minimum but that they can still negotiate their hourly fees, in accordance to these minimum fees.I am assuming they can also vary in how many hours they feel a case needs, Is that correct? So not all lawyers would be charging the same rates then.

 

For example 3 lawyers may vary in opinion in the costs of a divorce litigation, versus all divorces in germany would cost exactly x euros regardless of where you go type thing.

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Perhaps using the search function might help you get a grip on what you are providing advice on SJ1: search function

 

Perhaps you could also remove your link to a TT insurance provider - this strikes me as somewhat of a doubled edge compliment if you then go on to reveal that you are not really in command of the topic you are providing advice on. I.e. I use this man for all my misinformation. Not really fair is it?

 

Have a nice day!

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It is true that lawyers may demand a surplus in addition to the fees regulated in the Vergütungsgesetz (edited). This mostly applies to criminal cases, something no TTer would ever use for sure, given the law-abiding bunch that we are.

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Lawyers fees are strictly regulated according to German law (Bundesrechtsanwaltsgebührenordnung), but for advice work a flat fee or hourly rate can be charged.

 

http://www.berlinfo.com/Worktime/Professional/legal_advice/index.htm

 

Scroll down here for Legal Assistance insurance, there are no all inclusive so be aware they don't cover cases before and not all cases afterwards either.

 

http://www.howtogermany.com/pages/insurance.html

 

The Bundesrechtsanwaltsgebührenordnung (BRAGO) has been replaced by the Rechtsanwaltsvergütungsgesetz (RVG) as long ago as 2004. Basically the fee system has been greatly deregulated over the past couple of years, particularly so for legal advice. If you agree on hourly rates anything between 100 and 300 €/hour are usual rates, unless you find some discount lawyer. If his activities concern litigation and court appearances the fees are much less flexible.

You can get an idea about costs by consulting the Appendix I to the RVG:

 

http://dejure.org/gesetze/RVG/Anlage1.html

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Perhaps you could also remove your link to a TT insurance provider - this strikes me as somewhat of a doubled edge compliment if you then go on to reveal that you are not really in command of the topic you are providing advice on. I.e. I use this man for all my misinformation. Not really fair is it?

 

I find that uncalled for. I never once said anything about my opinions was from John Gun. I said from the get go he would be good to use a insurance professional. Because unlike you and me who are laymen, they are the experts. I suggested the one I used who I think is great, and I never specified what type of service I received from John, nor did I suggest my opinions stem from him.

 

I stand by my review that his services are great, and if anyone should ask me to remove it, then it should be John himself. I do not think I showed him in any negative light.

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Just one note on German legal (& court costs) insurance.

 

You should be aware that there are certain matters for which such insurance is not available at all, such as divorce in the private domain and contracts in the commercial domain.

(That's what my insurance broker told me, anyway.)

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I´ve just spotted this thread. Onemark, there IS actually ONE German legal insurer which does cover BOTH parties in divorce cases. Cover is for anything going to family courts, including divorce itself, :D custody and financial disputes. Only legally married couples can have the insurance (ie no common law, "living in sin!" couples). Warning: quarrelling couples can´t use it for the first three years of the contract!

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That's not entirely true. You can get insurance for almost any risk if someone is prepared to accept that risk, but it usually means going through specialised brokers. I looked at commercial contract coverage some years ago, and it was certainly possible, but frighteningly expensive and full of exclusions. Some insurances will cover initial advice prior to initiating divorce proceedings, and ARAG offer optional "Rechtsschutz in Ehesachen" which covers the legal side of divorce proceedings (max €30,000, €500 deductible, with a waiting period of 3 years before a claim can be made after the start of the policy). This family policy covers both partners too!

 

Edit: john g. agrees, so it must be true.

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Funnily enough, Yorkshire, many years ago, my then wife and I amicably agreed to get divorced - then we found out we weren´t married! She was Spanish and we got married in Indonesia under a special law for foreigners. We concealed the fact that she was Catholic and I was C of E (otherwise it wouldn´t have been allowed). Years later, we realised we hadn´t informed any authorities in England (nor in Spain) and were told in both countries we weren´t married!!

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If you are reasonable people who can arrange your own divorce and follow up issues you can share a lawyer and split the difference.

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johng:

 

Which site is that? Is it ARAG as mentioned by yorkshireboy?

 

If not, please repeat. Thanks.

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