Aufenthaltstitel electronic residence permit (eAT)

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FYI - I just came back from the KVR renewing my Aufenthaltstitel, and they told me that mid next year (2011), they will be issuing ID cards for non-citizens who have residence permits. I'm not sure if this is for those with the Niederlassungserlaubnis or for everyone with the Aufenthaltserlaubnis. Should be a lot more handy to carry around than your passport all the time.

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I actually don't carry it around, just a color copy of the residence permit & passport, but a nice handy ID card will be a lot more convenient still.

 

Any comments on what the law actually requires concerning carrying around the original residence permit? What is one required to have on hand, should you be stopped by the authorities for whatever reason?

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You don't have to have anything on you when stopped by authorities (unless you're trying to enter another country or when you're driving), but you do have to have ID, so what they can do is escort you to your home to get your ID.

That being a potential pain in the ass, many people choose to carry their ID voluntarily, to avoid this type of inconvenience.

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Interesting - didn't know about carrying passports. I never carry my passport with me in Germany. I normally have both my US and my German driver's licence and that's it.

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Hmm..I renew mine next summer. More cards to carry but better than my passport. Hopefully next year is my permanent residence permit!

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Just back from the ausländerbehörde. There were posters all over the waiting room which says new digital"Aufenthaltserlaubnis" will be issued from 1st May 2011 and we need to apply within 3 months before the existing permit expires inorder to get the digital one. No further details!

 

Does that mean people who have permits valid beyond that period need to get their's changed too? What exactly do they mean by a "digital" aufenthaltserlaubnis?

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I wonder if, like a German's ID card, it's sufficient for other EU countries as well or one still will need a passport when outside Germany.

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You don't need 1 as an EU citizen.

http://germany.angloinfo.com/countries/germany/residency.asp

 

I appreciate that it's not a compulsary requirement for EU citizens, but can you apply for one voluntarily?

In the same way, I suppose, that it's not compulsary to replace an EU driving licence with a DE one, but you can do so if you want to.

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alterjank:

 

I personally suspect they will not be for travel. But ask.

 

GerryM:

 

I doubt EU citizens could apply for one voluntarily as these cards seem to be for non-EU citizens (a different category). But it wouldn't hurt to enquire whether something similar is planned for EU citizens.

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I just read an article from Berliner Morgenpost here.

 

Basically like a Perso. (the new type, with biometric photo and data on a chip for German citizens) but for non-German citizens. Still seems like they need to finalise the finer details but will be for all holding an Aufenthaltstitel/erlaubnis and Niederlassungserlaubnis. They will reportedly cost more than the current Perso. for Germans (€28,80). Like the German Personalausweiß, they will also only be valid for 10 years.

 

I've had to explain to police officers 3 times now (riding round Berlin I've just happen to witness 2 car accidents and one bag snatcher) that I'm not required to carry ID with me! So it'll be a convenience to have an ID card... even when DHL fail to deliver my packages to the Packstation and I have to go pick them up at the post office, not having to remember to take my passport with me will be a lot nicer.

 

The one thing I really dislike though is not so much that I have to provide fingerprints, but that they will be printed on the card. If they're planning to use the easily readable 'smart chips' on the ID cards and whack all our biometric data on there, why the need to print it on the ID card? It's a very slim chance but providing a photocopy of your ID is fairly normal for a lot of situations and I don't like the idea that someone else will easily have my fingerprints (as opposed to someone going to the trouble of stealing the card and then hacking the smart chip).

 

The worst thing though is that I was looking forward to not having to return to the grey-hell-hole that is Berlin's Auslaenderbehoerde for another 2.5 years :P That place can barely handle the normal load of applications/applicants, can't imagine the Kacke-Kampf it will be in the 3 months that everyone else has to come back and apply for one.

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I'm ok with the idea of carrying an Ausweis around, particularly as all the Germans have to. However I still have a couple of issues with this...

 

First, I strongly object to the idea of having my fingerprints stored by the BKA in Wiesbaden. I'm not a criminal and don't feel comfortable with being treated like one. If the Germans continue to treat long-term residents as second-class citizens who must be regarded with suspicion then they can't expect us to integrate.

 

Second, I agree with the poster above that it is unsafe to have the fingerprints actually printed on the card. There is no logical reason for it - nobody will insist that you press on an ink-pad so they can compare with what is on your ID. There is nevertheless an extremely personal imprint that could be copied by anyone on a card that you have to use in all kinds of situations. Who the hell came up with such a stupid idea?

 

Third, the Niederlassungserlaubnis doesn't expire, so when am I supposed to apply for the new card? When my passport expires?

 

Questions for the Ausländerbehörde on Monday...

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For the umpteenth time, Germans, or anybody else for that matter, do not have to carry their ausweis with them. The law in Germany is that everybody has to have id, but there is no law that says they must carry it with them.

 

Thank you so much for pointing that out for the umpteenth time. It seems that no-one really cares whether there is nothing in the law that says you have to carry it on your person. Just about everyone I know keeps their Ausweis in their wallet, and you need that with you most of the time.

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For the umpteenth time, Germans, or anybody else for that matter, do not have to carry their ausweis with them. The law in Germany is that everybody has to have id, but there is no law that says they must carry it with them.

 

It might not be law but you need it for lots of things. For packages, for payments with EC in some stores, at all government agencies, to validate you're Isar karte, incase you get hit by a bus etc...

 

As a UK citizen the only photo id I have is a passport which is very inconvinient for ID purposes. A wee card that fits in my wallet would be perfect.

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Mariposa:

Point of information, please: since when do we have to carry any ID when we're driving? Are you sure that's correct? I don't have a car but I do have a German driving licence and I although I haven't driven for quite a while, I have never heard of having to carry ID when driving. Can you please clarify? Thanks.

 

Muldoon:

I sympathise entirely, although I personally am not OK with the idea of IDs on principle. However, I live here as a Brit, so this won't apply to me. May we take it that you a third-country foreign national?

 

Where does it say that your dabs wil be stored with the BKA in Wiesbaden? As I understand the article, your dabs will not be stored in any central foreign national database. However, it doesn't say where they will be stored apart from on the card itself (although I suspect that they WILL be stored in your local County Commissioner's Office/Landratsamt).

 

Wizadora:

It depends. I never carry any official ID with me on principle except if I need it for a specific purpose, e.g. bank/authorities etc.; however, I do carry my German driving licence with me. While this new ruling won't apply to us EU citizens, I have never found that I need to produce ID every day, including when paying by EC card. Then again, I live in a small town not far from Darmstadt, not in the big smoke. Maybe that's the difference.

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