Will you get immunized against the swine flu?

[SJ1 2,053]

hahahaha thats fabulous.

[SJ1 2,053]

There needs to be a button in the poll for undecided.

[eurovol 126]

 

Result negative for Swine Flu but the doc said I could have a rhinovirus due to my weakened immune system after the flu shot.

 

Your doc is an idiot. The flu shot doesn't "weaken" your immune system.

 

 

Wouldn't it be strange if someone caught an opportunistic swine flu after their immune system was weakened by the seasonal vaccine?

 

Doesn't work that way.

 

 

Was it the standard shot, or the swine flu shot? The swine flu shot is a new shot, so the side effects would be different compared to the standard yearly flu vaccine.

 

No they wouldn't. The flu vaccines are basically made the same way. While what the antigen presenting cells are being shown may vary, the process is the same. You are being exposed to a part of the viral coat (it is the outer shell) so that when the actual full live virus comes knocking at your mucous membrane doors, you already have antibodies against it which stops it from setting up shop.

 

Because the membrane coat changes from year to year (and the H1N1 is completely new to most people), that is the reason you get yearly vaccines. There is no conspiracy, only a natural predator that we can't conquer in a single battle.

 

Any side effects are simply your own immune system over-reacting to a perceived invasion. Would hate to imagine what your reaction would be to the real and whole and complete thing???

[RainyDays 2,453]

There's an informative expert talk on Phoenix channel on now (12 am): Phoenix Runde, "Von Risiken und Nebenwirkungen"

[Techsmex 13,368]

Nah, i'm riding it out. I think I recall having some bad flu bug when I was a young gun in the 70's, hopefully that'll keep the bugs at bay.

[spatown 115]

Sara you were probably hatching a bug when you had the flu shot. Poor girl, hope you are feeling better now.

 

Idiot doctor in the UK recently gave our daughter an MMR booster shot when she went in because she was feeling very unwell with a cold and also had pulled a muscle through jogging. Since she was feeling very miserable, she didn't think to tell him that her UK records stopped when she was 6 (therefore no record of further booster shots) because that was when she left the UK, and that she has lived in three other countries since then. He didn't exactly give her time to say much, just said something about no booster shots and stuck a needle in. Clever guy.

 

Think I will have the flu jab (when I get over this cold), and then the piggie one when there are enough vaccines. We will be flying around long distance next year so it would be a safer option I think.

[RickMunich 3,901]

Well, just found out that my two nephews and the wife of a friend all have it. Great.

[RickMunich 3,901]

Swine flu, that is. Not the jab.

[leky 173]

 

Was it the standard shot, or the swine flu shot? The swine flu shot is a new shot, so the side effects would be different compared to the standard yearly flu vaccine.

 

Taken from the H1N1 fact sheet:

 

"The virus in inactivated 2009 H1N1 vaccine has been killed, so you cannot get influenza from the vaccine. The risks from inactivated 2009 H1N1 vaccine are similar to those from seasonal inactivated fl u vaccine: Mild problems: • soreness, redness, tenderness, or swelling where the shot was given • fainting (mainly adolescents) • headache, muscle aches • fever • nausea If these problems occur, they usually begin soon after the shot and last 1-2 days."

 

 

They told my husband you cannot get it when you have even a cold, the immune system is supposed to be fully prepared

 

"If you are moderately or severely ill, you might be advised to wait until you recover before getting the vaccine. If you have a mild cold or other illness, there is usually no need to wait"

 

This info sheet is from the CDC, I do not know if the German vaccine is the same or a different vaccine & therefore may have different guidelines.

[sarabyrd 18,767]

 

I just got flu-ge-jabbed (against the regular stuff) an hour ago and don't feel so good.

 

P.S. If you get a flu vaccination do not take penicillin against e.g. cystitis at the same time as you will swell up like a pumpkin and develop an itching rash all over your body. Thank goodness I don't permanently wear rings or they would have to be cut off.

[Chocky 1,223]

Did any one think about the fact that the large pharma companies are making huge amounts of money out of what would seem to be a massive amount of hysteria over swine flu?

[rugbycoach 129]

One of my colleagues had the jab, two hours later, fell down and broke her skull...no way hosea...

[straker 15]

one of my friends got the jab and then won the lotto i don't know about u but i am running out today to get mine.

[7sins 51]

 

Did any one think about the fact that the large pharma companies are making huge amounts of money out of what would seem to be a massive amount of hysteria over swine flu?

 

Absolutely. I work in the industry and I am not at all surprise how quickly this "vaccine" has become a gold mine for the manufacturers even though still the efficacy trials are underway.

I do not object if people decide to take this vaccine(since it will not be more or less dangerous than the normal flu shot for most people) but I think people should do their research on this topic and make their own decision without the whole media hysteria.

 

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[cartalk 4]

1. Reply to big Pharma comments: Isn't it just possible that big pharma wants to make a profit AND there is a virus out there that is new, and

we have a tool against it, if we choose to use it. Can both greed and helpfulness exist at the same time?

 

2. Reply to 'if people would eat better, we would have stronger immune systems and be able to fight off this bug.' Throughout history, some pretty big plagues

have come along before the invention of junk food and soda.

 

3. Reply to 'the vaccine hasn't been tested'. Well, over half a million people in Europe have already had the vaccine and there have been no reported deaths. In Sweden, two

elderly people did die within days of vaccination, but elderly people have been known to die before, so people are having a difficult time proving the case.

 

4. My whole family had the vaccine and it was no more difficult than any other vaccination that we've had. The needle hurt less for all of us, the arm was sore, and I was the only

one who got tired and had to go to bed early.

 

5. Thimeresol and mercury. I noticed years ago that thimerasol was used in my contact lens solution and has been used in many vaccines for many years.

 

5. Ginkgo I love the picture that you posted!

[dessa_dangerous 13,315]

cartalk, good points and that is exactly the kind of balanced attitude I think we should adopt in a time like this. It's also important not to talk yourself into getting sick; I have done it many times. Now I am a recovering hypochondriac but stuff like this is exactly what can transform quite sane and rational people into massive paranoid messes.

 

Only one thing I wanted to mention and it had to do with your statement here:

 

 

2. Reply to 'if people would eat better, we would have stronger immune systems and be able to fight off this bug.' Throughout history, some pretty big plagues have come along before the invention of junk food and soda.

 

I think people eat much better now than they have in a long time, at least in Europe. Yeah OK, perhaps N. Americans/Brits/Germans eat too much fried food and refined sugar, but pioneers didn't eat too much better, subsisting on pork fat and bread for six months out of the year, eating fried foods daily, seeing a piece of citrus once a year if they were lucky, likely never drinking enough water. Same could be said for medieval Europe, not a lot of vegetables, no access to fresh, healthy proteins or clean water. In my fridge right now I have: carrots, broccoli, cauliflower, bell peppers, mushrooms, peas, green beans, lemongrass, cucumber, tomato, berries, lettuce, green onions, radish, tofu and eggs. Apples on the shelf. Your average European peasant probably never saw 1/3 of these things in his life.

 

As a foodie, I thank my lucky stars to live where and when I do. Yes, we eat the junk, but on top of other good, fresh healthy stuff... or at least I do :ph34r:

[cartalk 4]

Thanks ... and bring the poll to the top.

[Pleb 45]

It seems that the overwhelming majority of voters in the poll are deciding not to get the injection of foreign biological material.

 

I find that interesting, because when reading the thread, there are in contrast many vocal supporters.

 

I have made my decision.

 

When the WHO's own doctors stated before all the media craziness began, that the mortality rate of this particular virus is less than the standard flu virus, it gives me something to ponder.

 

When the WHO changes it's defintion of a pandemic to remove the significant mortality portion of the definition, I start to wonder what is actually happening.

[spatown 115]

I think we'll get it, in the next few days. Since we are going to be flying at least 24 hrs early next year, so exchanging viruses with a whole planeload or two of people, I don't mind having a bit more immunity than I might have had.

[interplanetjanet 177]

Oh lovely. My doc offered my husband and I the vaccine, and we turned it down because we figured the likelihood of coming in contact with someone with it was very low. We're heading off to my brother's in just over a week, and I just recently learned that he just got over swine flu. :(