Germans rarely admit that they're wrong

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Without the having the UK there as a springboard the Americans probably could not and probably would not have launched an assault on France. After Pearl Harbor I imagine there would have been some sort of air skirmish over Greenland or some such thing or a non aggression pact over the Atlantic or a glowering standoff - unless the Germans started messing around in Mexico.

 

The UK held out alone for years and the Germans were unable to bring them down. The German error was to stop bombing the RAF bases and switch to the cities. This saved the RAF.

 

However this was a small error compared to the huge one - which was attacking Russia so late in the year. This was because of the Italians getting into major trouble in Greece and delaying the German assault.

 

To anyone interested in this - a lot of people are waiting for the release of the computer game world in flames

 

http://www.matrixgames.com/products/296/de...World.In.Flames

 

When it comes out (we've only been waiting 10 years) I shall be putting my pet theories into place when I play the Germans will make an ally of Turkey and sweep up from the Turkish border with my German/Turkish forces and to link up with the German troops at Stalingrad and form a solid supply route. We'll see how it goes.

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by not coupling the aerial assault with a naval invasion.

Admittedly, I just copied this from wiki

The sheer disparity in size when compared to the other European powers navies prompted German naval commander in chief Grand Admiral Erich Raeder to write of his own navy once the war began "The surface forces can do no more than show that they know how to die gallantly."

 

I have never heard anybody suggest that the German Navy would have been able to launch an invasion of Britain. Why do you think they specialised in submarines?

 

The Allies lost tens of thousands of men on D-day with a vastly superior fleet.

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Not worth arguing relative merits of machinery in a one Vs one rather than force of numbers with a luddite.

It's a luddite who thinks that winning the war was about who had better planes. Are you some sort of auto mechanic or something?

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My quals and job are well known Genie, on the other hand i've asked you several times what your job is and what your technical quals are without reply?

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There were exactly two things the German army and the German navy could agree on in regard to the invasion plan:

 

1.) That they needed a complete air superiority which the German airforce didn't come close to achieve.

2.) That the invasion plan wasn't workable. The army thought that there wasn't sufficient shipping and so the troop numbers and supply would be too low. The navy thought that the shipping in the invasion plans was more than they would be able to provide.

 

If the invasion had gone ahead, it'd have been a desaster and pretty much everyone on the German side knew it. The German military planners were lackluster about the idea of sending an army in river barges across the Channel in face of the Royal Navy.

 

 

The UK held out alone for years and the Germans were unable to bring them down. The German error was to stop bombing the RAF bases and switch to the cities. This saved the RAF.

Not exactly years and not exactly alone. The Battle of France ended in summer of 1940 and Germany attacked in the summer of 1941 the USSR after which everything else became a sideshow as far the German military was concerned. In between, the UK had the support fo the Empire with countries as Canada, Australia, South Africa and New Zealand plus already economic support from the USA.

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Admittedly, I just copied this from wiki

The sheer disparity in size when compared to the other European powers navies prompted German naval commander in chief Grand Admiral Erich Raeder to write of his own navy once the war began "The surface forces can do no more than show that they know how to die gallantly."

 

I have never heard anybody suggest that the German Navy would have been able to launch an invasion of Britain. Why do you think they specialised in submarines?

 

The Allies lost tens of thousands of men on D-day with a vastly superior fleet.

This I agree to. The Germans didn't have a navy which was why they did their best to avoid surface engagements for the entire war. Had they not made the mistake of trying to take down the RAF by strategic bombing ( I don't agree that continuing the campaign would have brought the RAF down), and gained air superiority by fighter-to-fighter aerial engagements, they would have gained air superiority and canceled out their lack of a navy by air superiority (which had already shown by that time it could win against surface naval force). At least that was what the Germans were counting on.

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My quals and job are well known Genie, on the other hand i've asked you several times what your job is and what your technical quals are without reply?

You haven't asked me a single time. Is this how "well known" your quals are?

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My quals and job are well known Genie, on the other hand i've asked you several times what your job is and what your technical quals are without reply?

 

You haven't asked me a single time. Is this how "well known" your quals are?

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In between, the UK had the support fo the Empire with countries as Canada, Australia, South Africa and New Zealand plus already economic support from the USA.

Not to forget that they mobilized good number of soldiers from India and Nepal, too.

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My quals and job are well known Genie, on the other hand i've asked you several times what your job is and what your technical quals are without reply?

Read again. You asked me whether you asked me several times what my job is without reply. I answered that you didn't. Any other questions?

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Ok, since your predilection for being obtuse knows no bounds I will make it very clear for you.

 

What is your occupation and upon what technical qualified grounds do you make your comments upon aerospace and other defence industries?

 

Clear enough?

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Oh, you want to know what my occupation is. I work in research in neuroscience. M.Sc. in computer science, about to get a Ph.D. in biology. And I made no comments in this thread upon aerospace or other defense industries.

 

What's with that chip on the shoulder, huh? I mean, usually abusive foul mouthed brats have psychological issues, what's yours?

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Guys, really poor form. The two of you getting into it and neither backing down or relinquishing any ground. Germans are reading. You've just pissed all over the credibility of this thread.

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