Roma refugees from Romania

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I watched the blackmail windshield washers at it yesterday and there was a terrible accident! One of the criminals who tried to force people into paying for services the have not asked for and do not require was injured on the job.

It was tragic as the driver of a rather average ten year old Opel was surrounded at the traffic lights. He shook his head and shouted, 'Nein', as an attempt was made to waste energy and resources to clear his already clear vision without his permission. He beeped the horn twice to no avail and the criminals continued so he stepped out of his car and on opening the door abruptly it happened to catch the criminal in the knees. Terrible scene as his accomplices had to carry him to the pavement. But every cloud has a silver lining as I'm sure he'll be back at work with a crutch on the U-Bahn tomorrow dragging his sorry limb.

The car door was ok by the way and the driver was able to continue with his journey unimpeded. Small blessings.

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See, I don't think they all live in mansions and drive Audis but I don't think they all work 18 hour days and are run by gangmasters either.

some other photos from Romania:

south: http://imgur.com/2EfrF.jpg

center: http://imgur.com/ukDJv.jpg

north-east: http://imgur.com/OFBTN.jpg

west: http://imgur.com/0MmAn.jpg

(I could spend a week adding photos...)

 

Of course that not all gypsies live in houses like these or drive Audis, but this is proof to where (most of) your money goes when you pay a beggar. Some networks of beggars even send EUR 10000 per week back home (according to a French investigation done last autumn in order to discover the real living conditions of "refugee" Romanian gypsies who also received EUR 1000 per month as welfare). Gypsy beggars are forced into slavery by other gypsies, not by Romanians, not by Russians, not by Hungarians. If you want to stop this kind of slavery don't give money to beggars.

 

(Note that I'm not saying that all crime is done by gypsies. Or that they are not discriminated against. Just don't believe their b.s. regarding oppression and their status of "refugees".)

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So are you trying to tell us that the bosses of these criminal gangs of slaves live in big concrete cakes that the idiots in Berlin pay for? Expect resistance from the bubble people however. More pics and info please.

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(according to a French investigation done last autumn in order to discover the real living conditions of "refugee" Romanian gypsies who also received EUR 1000 per month as welfare).

care to reference this? My guess is the 'investigation' was carried out by the Front National or a fellow-traveller.

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care to reference this? My guess is the 'investigation' was carried out by the Front National or a fellow-traveller.

I love this. You read something that doesn't fit into your definition of these poor, downtrodden people, and it has to be from a Neo Nazi group.

 

Maybe it's a decent journalist who's done a bit of research.

 

I have no sympathy for the Roma- especially not after I saw the 10 year old girl out begging with her 4ish year old brother without any supervision for a good half an hour. These people certainly don't care for their offspring. 10 seconds plus fast hands and a perv with a van could have carried them both off.

 

They could change. They could help themselves, but they are doing and living as they chose. In this day and age, they aren't prisoners of circumstance. This is one of the most socialist countries in the world. If one of those mothers with kids went to the state for help, saying they wanted to escape their situation, that they were forced into begging and were being sexually assaulted at night by their slave masters, you don't think the German govt would bend over backwards to help them?

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Here's a nice story about our gypsy friends in Ireland... weapons being used include petrol bombs ,GUNS. Knives. Chainsaws. Swords. Shovels. Pickaxes. Scabbards. Golf clubs. Steel baseball bats. Screwdrivers...

 

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/de...ls-1848886.html

 

 

Seizures of assets from Travellers worth more than €100,000 are no longer a rarity to investigators from the Criminal Assets Bureau, sources said yesterday.

 

A recent success included an application last January to seize two vehicles, a Range Rover SE sports model and a BMW car, purchased with the proceeds of crime.

 

The targeted figure in this case was only 19 years old and a member of the Travelling community. His name was Thomas Joyce and in June he was shot dead.

 

Senior gardai also confirmed Travellers based in south and west Dublin have been involved in a spate of crime around the country over the past few years, mainly robberies and aggravated burglaries, where violence was used.

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I've been having a little think about all of this. The people who use the internet for financial exchanges in shares of a company they have no moral or long term vested interest in is the new digital traveller? We are ending up with ownerless ownership corps. People crawl the streets expecting charity when not demanding it. Perhaps we aren't any better than these traveling folk when Banks crawl around looking for social assistance? Sign of the times© Prince.

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Scabbards.

WOOHOOOO! A damn SCABBARD hey???

 

WOW! What a ... oh, wait a minute... did he have a golf bag and pockets in his trousers as well???

 

WHY was he not arrested for having POCKETS???

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The controversy over Roma reminds me of that fantastic Thatcher quote on socialism being great until you run out of someone else's money. Everyone loves gypsies until they, figuratively and literally, set up camp in one's own backyard; then comes all the crime and suddenly they're not so great after all...

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I have not HEARD of the problem here. But the problem they have in the U.K with gypoe camps being set up over night, and them staying for YEARS. Any one on the mainland heard of that happening here?

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the only reason it started in the UK is because the Tories in 1994 introduced The Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 which removed the obligation for councils to provide campsites for traveller populations, which previously every single council had to do. Suddenly coucils up and down the country sold off their campsites for commercial redevelopment and over half the traveller population of England was evicted from sites they had occupied for generations. Is it any wonder that some set up illegal camps after that?

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Yes. It is ILLEGAL.

 

I do not break the law. Why should Tinks, gypoes and pikeys be any different?

 

But again. WHERE do the "live" on the mainland?

 

I have never seen a Pikeys camp here.

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I have no sympathy for the Roma- especially not after I saw the 10 year old girl out begging with her 4ish year old brother without any supervision for a good half an hour.

These people certainly don't care for their offspring.

Yes, there are differences regarding the supervsion of children between some Roma and general received opinion in western Europe.

If it was interested to do so, the state could sanctions to eonforce good parenting and / or school attendence.

But they have precious little interest in doing so.

That would cost resources that they have no desire to "waste" on this problem

 

 

10 seconds plus fast hands and a perv with a van could have carried them both off.

Utter straw man argument.You do realse that most abuse of children takes place not through "stranger danger"

but through the family or friends of the family?

 

 

They could change. They could help themselves, but they are doing and living as they chose. In this day and age, they aren't prisoners of circumstance.

I suggest you go away and read up on access to education and training and statistics on unemployment amongst Roma.

The "this day and age" is almost funny. You are aware that the transition from centrally planned to market capitalist economy in eastern Europe

and how that resulted in the mass destruction of jobs? Have a guess which groups lost their jobs? Last time I read up on it, the unemployment percentage

rate amongst Roma in Slovakia was in the 90s. In western Europe there's also been downsizing, the jobs that have stayed are ones that demand...education and training.

 

 

This is one of the most socialist countries in the world.

Try living for a while on Hartz IV of € 350 & rent and then come back and say that again.

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Try living for a while on Hartz IV of € 350 & rent and then come back and say that again.

Agree totaly.

 

I have had a period where I must do that. And you are correct.

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I have no sympathy for the Roma- especially not after I saw the 10 year old girl out begging with her 4ish year old brother without any supervision for a good half an hour. These people certainly don't care for their offspring. 10 seconds plus fast hands and a perv with a van could have carried them both off.

 

They could change. They could help themselves, but they are doing and living as they chose. In this day and age, they aren't prisoners of circumstance. This is one of the most socialist countries in the world. If one of those mothers with kids went to the state for help, saying they wanted to escape their situation, that they were forced into begging and were being sexually assaulted at night by their slave masters, you don't think the German govt would bend over backwards to help them?

It really depends where those Roma hail from. If they are from Romania, like the ones we are mainly talking about in this thread, they only have a tourist status. They can't seek asylum, since they are from a EU country, and they need a work permit (special regulation for some new EU countries). Without that, AFAIK they can't stay here for longer than 3 months or get welfare. Also, there is distrust against police and authorities, and German authorities can't do much against exploitative structures within the Roma community in other countries (and slavery is only in part responsible for the misery, it's actually based on it, because a poor Rom can't get a loan from a bank, thus borrows from other, wealthier gypsies).

 

There are other Roma that have lived here for some years, a large group of refugees from the Balkan wars, e.g. from Kosovo, and their kids in general attend school and are not out and about in the street.

 

 

Yes. It is ILLEGAL.

I do not break the law. Why should Tinks, gypoes and pikeys be any different?

But again. WHERE do the "live" on the mainland?

I have never seen a Pikeys camp here.

In Berlin, there's one, see this Deutschlandradio report. It's a makeshift permanent camp site where the users have to pay and can stay in spring and summer. I've also seen gypsies camping on parking lots on the outskirts of town for a few days, usually where there is a water supply nearby. German Sinti families only travel for some weeks in summer and stay a few days each on different sites, including 'wild' ones, which might be tolerated by authorities. On regular camping sites they seem to be unwelcome.

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Try living for a while on Hartz IV of € 350 & rent and then come back and say that again.

Riiiiiiight. Do you know how actually lucky that is? In my former province of Canada, Welfare was $505 a month. Period. Rent, food and everything. So I look at Hartz IV and think anyone who can get that is lucky. This is also in one of the most expensive cities in North America. Doesn't matter where you live, what your rent is (and a room there is generally 350-400 a month) or how badly off you are.

 

And...also... being at the point of bankruptcy here in berlin, but not having been here long enough to get any sort of benefits, so facing the 'do I go home or what' question, I would doubly say that anyone who can get Hartz IV is lucky. I had an acquaintance on Hartz IV. She was moving out into her first place from home (yes- they were paying it to her, even though she was living at home- this would never happen back where I'm from) and they were buying her all the things she needed to set up her household. right down to a washing machine.

 

Don't tell me that Harz IV is cruel or unfair.

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Riiiiiiight. Do you know how actually lucky that is? In my former province of Canada, Welfare was $505 a month. Period. Rent, food and everything. So I look at Hartz IV and think anyone who can get that is lucky. This is also in one of the most expensive cities in North America. Doesn't matter where you live, what your rent is (and a room there is generally 350-400 a month) or how badly off you are.

 

And...also... being at the point of bankruptcy here in berlin, but not having been here long enough to get any sort of benefits, so facing the 'do I go home or what' question, I would doubly say that anyone who can get Hartz IV is lucky. I had an acquaintance on Hartz IV. She was moving out into her first place from home (yes- they were paying it to her, even though she was living at home- this would never happen back where I'm from) and they were buying her all the things she needed to set up her household. right down to a washing machine.

 

Don't tell me that Harz IV is cruel or unfair.

So? $CAN505 = 327.668 EUR. Not THAT different. And try living in München, or indeed MOST places in Bayern, or even Frankfurt Main on that. And not ALL the rent is paid.

 

Ans yes WE have to buy food and electric/gas (if youu HAVGE gas), heating etc out oft that amount.

 

So don't complain that YOU are badly done to when it probably breaks even.

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