Killing and rape of white girls in India

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as an asian male from the uk i would like to add this...india has a big problem with rapes and they do see white girls as easy pickings. in india western pornography is widley available and local men see white girls as sex objects due to what they have seen and heard on TV. There have been incidents of assaults and rapes on white girls. one story was a couple of backpackers who was charmed by a local guy ended up being kidnapped for 36hrs, forced to hand over credit card details, tryed to coerce the girls into sleeping with the ring leader in a gang of eight men, but the girls put up with a fight. If you see in any new indian films. You will see in a song scenes, they have white girls parading and dancing around in bikinis and skimpy outfits, but you will never see a black or a chinese girl being picked for a role. This is because they see white girls as gold dust...something to lust after and are considered desirables.

The rumour has it and a friend of mine has told me this who knows someone in the indian film industry is that they bring in white girls so that producers, directors, actors and underworld figures who sometimes finance the films end up either date rape them or charm the girls into bedding them. after all what girl would'nt? having all their flights paid for, hotel paid,entourage, being in a hot country seeing the sights and sounds white girls often get seduced by it all coerced into taking drugs and drinks and thats when locals hit the jackpot...bottom line, they just cant say no as white girls just don't want to be rude to locals or just have some holiday fun despite the huge, huge risks involved such as std's sti's, kidnappings or worse being sold to other underworld figures.

 

my advice is this if your going abroad alone (which one should never ever do whether its india or anywhere in the world)

is this:

 

1) Keeep your wits about...very very important. locals often seen western tourists as naive and gullible.

 

2) if something sounds to good to be true...it often is, so don't be tempted.

 

3) do not walk into places or areas where you should'nt be or unaware of even if someone makes it up that its a great place to visit...chances are your walking into a trap. stick to the areas you know, or the usual tourist areas.

 

4) watch your drinks in clubs and pubs, do not go home on your own after a night out...your asking for trouble

 

5)don't be to friendly to locals...especially to the men,they may interpret your friendliness as a come on sign. if they come onto you,and you say no thanks, they may think your just playing hard to get. be firm but nice. don't worry about upsetting them, its your life and health is on the line.

 

6) do not where to much revealing clothes on a hot day or at a night out. chances are you will get picked on by horny local men and possibly be harrassed to take you 'sight seeing' throughout the day or night.

 

7) always tell family and friends your travel routes, where your staying and who are your guides. (make sure you get a recommended tour guide from a travel agency)make sure you get as much information as possible About locations, hotels, tour guides, who they are and where they are from etc. it can be very useful if you ever get in trouble. If tour guides, or hotel staff does not give you the information you need, then don't take up their services. Where possible make a mental map when your visiting places or meeting someone. take pictures of people who your not sure about (make it look like a friendly holiday snap) if they refuse pictures being taken, then get out asap. where possible send pictures to a friend or family back home. keep them updated.

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as an asian male from the uk i would like to add this...india has a big problem with rapes and they do see white girls as easy pickings.

Majority of the rape victims in India are Indians NOT foreigners.

 

 

in india western pornography is widley available and local men see white girls as sex objects due to what they have seen and heard on TV...This is because they see white girls as gold dust...something to lust after and are considered desirables.

Sounds like its pretty much what you think of white girls. ;)

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The rumour has it and a friend of mine has told me this who knows someone in the indian film industry is that they bring in white girls so that producers, directors, actors and underworld figures who sometimes finance the films end up either date rape them or charm the girls into bedding them. after all what girl would'nt?

 

Thanks for your vote of confidence in the female race. Now please fuck off.

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Yes, it is, but it contradicts the supposition of UKMALE who was asserting that white women are common targets of attack in India.

 

There's a huge problem of exploitation of the poor in India by the richer and more powerful (according to any number of news reports) but in my experience India is remarkably safe for western tourists but bad things do happen, especially if you're unaware of the local traditions or customs and how you may be, unwittingly, causing offence to the natives. India is a very big place and some areas are, to state the blindingly obvious, more safe than others for tourists.

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So we are thinking of visiting India in April, flying in to Mumbai where a friend has an apartment, seeing what that region has to offer, then doing a train journey down to Goa. we would have two weeks, maybe longer.

Firstly, I would like to add that I am a pretty experienced traveller, but I my wife has big reservations about going there as a western woman - last night while we,were doing research, we made the mistake of going to the UK Foreign Office travel advisory page on India, https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/india/safety-and-security

I realise any country has inherent risks for tourists, but does anyone have any experience of that particular route? (Mumbai to Goa by train)

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Last year my sister travelled from the south of India to the North East (Arunachal Pradesh) on a motor-bike. Alone. Around 5500 kilometers. I am not able to find any english news interviews. But here is one in malayalam (a regional language in India).

 

http://www.marunadanmalayali.com/interview/media/leslie-augustine-interview-long-journey-from-thrissur-to-thawang-10013

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It's really not that much of a problem statistically, so by all means go! It's also more of a problem further north, and towards the center. In the south, you'll be much safer (and south of Mumbai is almost all south). Goa is very safe.

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The problem is always when the lady is alone. But with a male partner, things are generally ok. Still personally, i am suspicious when anyone seems too friendly or helpful with me - i try to look for the catch - yes it is stressful to be mindful of ones backside, but one just needs to keep it in the back of the mind and not cloud ones relaxing mood.

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No it isn't safe but apart from killing and rape there is the trick in the shops where they offer you tea and you oblige their hospitality thinking how kind and civilized and you wake up some time later in a taxi on the way somewhere hotel/airport with a very very expensive carpet (for example). Disbelieve, laugh but I know people it has happened to. My father was in India for several years during WW2 and I had countess nightmares growing up from all the photos of beggars he brought back.Basically women would have a baby and then took baby to someone in town and pay them to blind and disfigure them. The child was then put on the street with begging bowl. The family would collect.

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Basically women would have a baby and then took baby to someone in town and pay them to blind and disfigure them. The child was then put on the street with begging bowl.

It sounds like Stuttgart, but the baby is an adult and it wasn't their mother who disfigured them, it was organized crime in Bulgaria or somewhere.

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I am a big India fan and have travelled through for months at a time as a lone male traveller (okay, tourist) and with wives and girlfriends (not at the same time, of course).

 

Being careful is key. Being paranoid will take the fun out of it. The reporting of the rapes of foreigners is probably the tip of the iceberg (imagine what happens to Indian women) but also more widely reported because of the country of the women who were attacked (the last one I read was a japanese woman who was kept captive for months as essentially a sex slave for some Bihar hoodlums). From what you read, Indian men are heinous. But there are of course lots of really friendly people you meet who are not trying to attack you. (and if you can't sort between the two while travelling, it is time for a vacation from your vacation).

 

If your wife has angst about going there, going somewhere westernized helps (Club Med, westernized resort, parts of Goa). Just jumping into the teeming millions is a culture shock. Even walking down the street can be a challenge in India, you have to look out for the holes in the street (or rarely a sidewalk), the cow, the naked saddhu, the begging children, the rickshaw, the semi rabid emaciated dogs, the woman pooping...

 

Going with an organized tour helps avoid some of the rougher edges of India (and would take some of the fun out of it for old India hands) but is a bit more expensive. But probably worth it if money is available. It is really nice to be able to retreat to a nice AC hotel to get out of the India that had encrusted you in dust and given you grey snot (really, it happens after a day in India). Later in the evening you go back out for the perfect meal that is served by a fat half naked man on a banana leaf that is a veggie thali, all you can eat and costs less than 0.75€ (that is the great part of India for me).

 

I have seen a lot of female travellers that have absolutely no problem with it and others that spent an entire night in a train trying to stare down the 15 indian men in the area (she could not figure out why they were staring at her, but I think they were staring at her because she was freaking out and staring at them, a cycle that kind of reinforced itself).

 

On the trains, you are generally very safe. People are sometimes curious. You are careful about your belongings. Reserve in advance. I have done 2nd class in the past, and might in the future, but the 1st class is cheap by our standards and probably worth it (the 2nd class is all open, so if they want to come stare at you, there is no door to stop them). Also, you can eat almost anything from the vendors at the train stations if you are brave. Goa Mumbai is pretty much south and therefore predominantly veggie (so less food problems in my opinion, but always be careful.) My last trip there I decided since you generally get sick once, I would eat everything and not worry about it. But I did not get sick and ended up coming back from India with a couple extra kilos.

Presumed Fed.

 

Goa Mumbai is one of the newer routes on the IR line and should be up to snuff. Not ICE, but faster than Amtrak. The trains there are themselves a trip. There are often no closeable windows (just rolladen, another thread) and these are almost always open. You buy food at the stations, you have a little community in your open cabin. Sehr gemütlich.

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Rape rate in India is less than 2.0 per 100,000 people. This compares to a reported rape rate of 1.2 per 100,000 in Japan, 3.6 per 100,000 in Morocco, 4.6 rapes per 100,000 in Bahrain, 12.3 per 100,000 in Mexico, 24.1 per 100,000 in United Kingdom, 28.6 per 100,000 in United States, 66.5 per 100,000 in Sweden, and world's highest rate of 114.9 rapes per 100,000 in South Africa. In Germany it is about 8-9 (even more accurate source : http://www.unodc.org...ualViolence.xls )

 

So statistically you have 10+ times more chances of being raped in the UK than in India.

The total cases of course are more because of the huge population. The recent publicity has mostly to do with some public profile cases and the lack of punishment.

 

I work with people from India daily and have been a couple of times to Mumbay. I never felt threatened, even though as an 1,88m tall (and almost the same wide :lol: ) bearded man I am probably not target nr.1 as crime victim. But even when you are stormed in some cases from beggars, or kids that will try to carry your luggage etc , no one tried to rob me. And Indian people are the nicest I've ever met.

 

As a couple I don't think you will face any issues, if your wife was alone and had to travel in many cities that would 've been a different story. If you ask f.ex the hotel on what areas or what you have to avoid you should be safe. Drinking non bottle water anywhere though IS dangerous :lol:

 

Cheers,

 

Alex

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The beggar fotos I saw were of adults but the disfiguring was done to person as a young baby. The person was a beggar for life. Have no idea if this is still done. Just to clarify the expensive purchase done when drugged by shop merchants came with the large credit card bill.

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So we are thinking of visiting India in April, flying in to Mumbai where a friend has an apartment, seeing what that region has to offer, then doing a train journey down to Goa. we would have two weeks, maybe longer.

Firstly, I would like to add that I am a pretty experienced traveller, but I my wife has big reservations about going there as a western woman - last night while we,were doing research, we made the mistake of going to the UK Foreign Office travel advisory page on India, https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/india/safety-and-security

I realise any country has inherent risks for tourists, but does anyone have any experience of that particular route? (Mumbai to Goa by train)

 

As others said, going alone and going there with you (or other male person) will give completely different experience, this applies to any developing country. For example, I was traveling with a group of friends to Istanbul. At some point we separated and two girls were left alone. Later they told that they immediately experienced a lot of street harassment. Nothing dangerous, but still not pleasant. Once they reunited with us (a group of males) again, not a single such accident happened later.

 

So, your wife will be perfectly safe, but she should be with you at all times.

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Alexnf, some poor low caste girl in Bihar has no chance to report a rape. There was a case of two sisters hanging themselves on a tree in Bihar (I think) and a rumor that they were raped and going to report it. The village head reported it was a just a case of tandem suicide. Of course he was of no relation to any suspect or perhaps of the same caste..

 

A women raped in India has pretty poor social standing (to put it mildly) and there is pressure to not report it from family and society.

 

So the numbers are reported rapes, I presume. I don't doubt the numbers, that there is a problem in the west and overall, but I doubt the ratios. As you pointed out, the lack of punishment is a problem. If you live there and the perpetrator is not likely to get punished, you probably don't report it.

 

That said, folks should go to India and take the good advice from all above. (the new government is shitty and the PM a potential criminal in my opinion, but that is another topic).

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Mako that is true and I agree. It is almost impossible to know the real numbers for any country, and the non reported rapes (especially when committed by someone relative/close to the victim) are high even in more developed countries. The tourist cases though are usually reported.

 

As a couple I don't think that they are in more danger than pretty much any place. As long ask you as for some information for where you are travelling, which is common sense and applies to any new country.

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Travelled in India twice by myself. (once from Rajasthan down to Mumbai; once in the south). No problems, aside from the slight hassle you get in many countries (including Southern Italy)...and most of the hassle was not about my sex, but about trying to sell me products or services.

 

Yes, rape is a problem (and a lot of it doesn't make the statistics), but that in no way means you are likely to be raped. Exercise normal caution, especially at night, and you should be fine.

 

And if travelling with a male companion, even more so (although in no way necessary).

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Alexnf, I also agree. But the numbers are whack. Is Sweden incredibly dangerous for women, 33x more than India? I think healthy democracies and social structures allow women to report the crime without repercussions to themselves. India lacks the second (if you are not thinking in terms of castes which are in themselves social structures).

 

(Sorry to blather, old degree in south asian studies that has not been utilized in a kaliyuga, somewhere I have work to do, right?).

 

Actually what usually freaks people out in India is the absolute poverty. I mean you will see people who have nothing (the women pooping in the street, although junkies do that in Seattle also). That is sometimes the shock that does it for people. The more or less constant annoyances of buy this, give me money, etc are sometimes a downer if you don't figure out a way to ignore it or deal with it.

 

Very few people leave India without a very distinct opinion (love it or hate it). I have met no one who is passe about it in either case.

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So statistically you have 10+ times more chances of being raped in the UK than in India.

 

You're either being totally disingenous or you (to put it politely) haven't thought your argument through very carefully. The reason those western countries have apparently higher rates of rape is because, a: rape is recognised as a serious crime in those countries, regardless of your social standing, and b: there is the infrastructure in place to prosecute, with due process, the perpetrators.

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