Alimony obligations of absent fathers

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do you know how much must an absent father pay, legally? if he splits up with the mother of his child? does it make a difference if they where married, or not?what are peoples experiences

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I think it depends on the father's income, and children from married and unmarried parents should have the same rights. Somebody told me that in Germany a father could be made to pay up to 70% of his income to the ex wife and child...but I don't have any direct experience

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what happens if the father simply leaves germany.does the state pay up?

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That is a specialist question that should be answered by a lawyer.

Look up the Düsseldorfer Tabelle, google should provide adequate results.

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The Dusseldörfer Tabellen give an indication of the amount of maintenance to be paid. Its based on the income of the respective Parent and the age of the child(ren).

 

For expert advice and lots of good and relevant information, take a look at www.Isuv.de

 

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Unfortunately your screwed.

 

Leaving Germany will not solve the problem as if you move to a civilised country they will have what is known as a reciprocol agreement with Germany for the collection of child maintenance claims overseas, under the Hague agreement.

 

Under the laws of the Hague, how much you pay depends on which country in which the child resides in.

 

However that will depend on wether your ex decides to chase after you for more money. The state will probably not.

 

Yes the state will pay for your child/children, but only up until the childs 12th birthday.

 

If your child is under 3 years then you will have to pay for your ex as well, up until the child turns 3.

 

If you were married to your ex then you will have to pay for her to stay home until the child is 8 if she wishes to do so.

 

An example of what you may have to pay depends really on what you earn, for an example a mate of mine must pay 1300 Euro a month to his ex girlfriend untill the child is 3 years. There after he must only pay for the child about 350.

 

To make matters worse, if the child needs glasses, or has a school trip coming up etc, so long as your ex gives you enough notice, you will have to pay for those as well.

 

To make matters even more worse if you decide to stay here and don't pay, it will be only a matter of time before it is automaticaly deducted from your wages plus fees and if you're not working, from your bank account.

 

If you decide to stay here and pay on the otherhand, the fact that you pay has no bearing on wether or not you get to visit your child.

It seems systems are in place to ensure you pay up but no body gives a fat rats ass if you get to see your child or not.

 

Hope I didn't sound too bitter only I have had a very messy divorce here and I only choose to stay on here to support my two sons, but it's not easy.

 

I wish you luck, you are not alone.

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jeeezus, mr kiwi, i dont even earn 1300 a month. thanks for the info. wheres those pills ;)

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shit, sorry people. just kidding. i just remembered last weeks drama.that was in bad taste. thanks again for peoples input. much appreciated. maybe i can save this whole thing, yet, for my boy's sake

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jeeezus, mr kiwi, i dont even earn 1300 a month. thanks for the info. wheres those pills

I'm sure it depends on your income. If they make you pay so much that you can not support yourself anymore, you would be forced to leave the country and that kind of defeats the purpose. I guess bureaucracy doesn't always recognize common sense though.

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Germany has a Selbstbehalt for the father at roughly "existance minimum" - around 900 Euro. Anything above that can be garnished.

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What about absent mothers? What do they legally have to pay?

 

For instance, the mother of two boys (11 and 16 at the time) left the family because she had a boyfriend (but made sure to bring her dog).

She is Turkish, a German citizen, has no drivers license and never has, has no car, has no assets, works a minijob, and as far as we know, never got the FREE insurance from the state (free because she is unemployed "legally").

 

In that case, is she obligated to pay anything to the father of the two children? Would they garnish wages from a minijob?

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As far as I understand, no child maintenance is required to be paid by the non-custodial parent if that parent makes less than EUR 900 Netto per month. HOWEVER, the non-custodial parent IS required to seek out a job so that they CAN make child maintenance payments to the custodial parent.

 

The exact amount due for each child is calculated based on the Dusseldorfer Tabelle, a worksheet with provides child maintenance requirements based on the income of the non-custodial parent. You can view it here.

 

So to answer your question, they will not garnish wages on a mini-job.

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I didn't actually think that they would. That just sounds absurd to me really.

But thank you for the link and helpful informatoin. :)

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You're welcome. :) I have become intimately familiar with the D. Tabelle since I am in the middle of a divorce with a kid as well.

 

Note that technically, the mother you speak of above is supposed to seek out work so that she can provide child maintenance, but I have no idea how that is enforced/dealt with. Luckily NOT a topic that has come up in my divorce!

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You're right. You are VERY lucky that the ex- has work.

 

In my (our) case, my husbands ex-wife has no school degree. Did not go to college. No technical school. Nothin. She has only worked minijobs as a waitress her entire life. She has gotten by without a drivers license all these years. She lived with her boyfriend, but as of Friday last week, she left him, and is now living with her parents, which are about a 45 minute drive away from the minijob.

 

Soooooooooo. Yeah.

Sad story..

I try to be the best damn stepmom.

That's all I have to say about that!

 

The next time I write something about her will probably be when we start our Petitions to DCF through Frankfurt to move back to the USA. Oh boy..

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Germany has a Selbstbehalt for the father at roughly "existance minimum" - around 900 Euro. Anything above that can be garnished.

would make more sense to commit a crime and get looked after in jail. Free lodging,free food, free TV and free medical service and free legal aid.

 

Here in Alberta when you don't make your payments the government (tax) will go after you and no driver license, no any other license and no passport.

In other words, you have been screwed.

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What about absent mothers? What do they legally have to pay?

Hello...it is the same...please read...

 

You need to obtain an "Urkunde über die Verpflichtung zum Unterhalt" from your husbands ex. This form is signed by your husbands ex at the Jugendamt free of charge.

 

She probably wont want to sign it because she knows what it means. You need then to see a lawyer then to get this form signed in court.

 

With this piece of paper you can immeadiatly take the money from her bank account...yes of course there is probably no money in her bank account anyway, do it all the same because the "Pfendung" will cause her no end of problems.

 

With this piece of paper you can also Pfend her wages, yes ofcourse only above the Pfendung Grenze, which I might add is not the same amount in all cases, for example if the person is receiving unemployment bennifit 1, then the Pfendungs Grenze is 750 Euro, in the case of somebody who works for a living it is around 950 Euro but can be more if the person earns alot.

 

The final step taken in Germany taken for parents that dont pay childmaintenance is normaly a 3 month stint in Jail, yes Jail. This however all depends on the parent with the children and his/her lawyer wether or not they take these measures.

 

Personaly I have found the system here extreemly unfair for the non custodial parent, in my case me. I have allways paid child maintenance in the 4 years I have been seperated, (a total sofar 25000 euro)but it seems my ex is allways going back to her lawyer for more money, this inturn costs me more money for my lawyer to defend me.

 

Unfortunately Childmaintenance here is dynamic, it allways changes so parents like me get hasseled non stop, every other month there is allways something in the post from her lawyer, it seems it is not enough to pay out loads of cash each month and be there for the children every second weekend and school holidays etc...

 

It gives her a licience to make my life a living hell.

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would make more sense to commit a crime and get looked after in jail. Free lodging,free food, free TV and free medical service and free legal aid.

Air and light filtered through bars, crappy food and you have to buy the TV yourself (... since 1998, before that no TVs allowed). Oh, and you have to work for literally pennies.

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