Archaeology jobs in/near Munich and Bavaria

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Hi i see Taffthedigger had a post about an open day for an archaeological site near Munich a few weeks ago. I'm an archaeologist and need to find out about digging work in the Land - does anyone know him or anyone else who can point me in right direction please? I've tried loads of diff ways and would appreciate any tips, cheers

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Been a few months since you posted, but better late than never (I hope).

 

As you don't mention what your area/period of interest/specialisation is, I am not sure if the following will help, but anyways... I am also an archaeologist and most of my research has been about the early upper palaeolithic in western europe. A couple of the unis down your way, and the some of the archaeologists working at them, are very big as far as research on that period (as well as the middle palaeolithic and late upper palaeolithic). The main one of note is Tübingen where Nicholas Conard runs the show. Among others Conard has led excavations at and/or published extensively regarding Vogelherd, Hohle Fels and Geißenklösterle. Freiburg is another uni of note, archaeology-wise. Contacting the departments/institutes at hose unis might be a goer, although I am not sure what the chances would be of getting onto their excasvations if you are not studying there or connected to the unis in some way. You could also contact the Landesdenkmalamt in B-W and the Gesellschaft für Archäologie in Württemberg und Hohenzollern:

 

http://www.gesellschaft-vfg.de/content2009...ent.php?idcat=2

 

I don't know exactly how things are set up in B-W, but when we lived in Niedersachsen for a while I did some a bit of work on an excavation run by the Kreisarchäologe in the Landkreis where we lived. There is an archaeologist employed by each Landkreis in Niedersachsen. But I know that this is not the case in S-H, where things are run from a central Amt for the whole state. If you can contact the relevant Amt you should be on your way...

 

Hope this is of some assistance. Good luck.

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I was a little tired last night when I wrote the above and neglected the fact that you are/were looking for stuff around Munich. The unis would still be good places to talk to, along with those in Munich/Bavaria, but the Gesellschaft für Archäologie in Bayern might be a better group to contact then the Baden-Württemberg mob, and of course the relevant Bavarian Amt.

 

Cheers

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The university of Bamberg have a listing of jobs somewhere on the website. My old gaffer tipped me off but so far I have been unable to find exactly where it is on the website.

 

I was in the Landesampt about 10 days ago and they reckon that we have some major projects in Bavaria this year - one or two pipelines and a big road project at least. The weather at the moment is stopping work. I was abit shocked at this as back in the UK I have only ever been rained off - yep working in the snow is awful (it helps if you have stripped and planned the site before the snow comes so can work out where to try and dig) but with the client kicking off about time and money you just bash on. Not here. I have been "resting" since early December. The company I am supposed to be working for have a couple of projects near Augsburg (including what looks like a Medieval Jewish cemetary). I don't know how big these sites are though and whether there would even be enough work for the people on board already.

 

I am going for the annual dinner of my old mob this week. I should be in a better position to let you know what is in the offing when I have sobered up. Word is however that they have fingers in a lot of pies this coming year, all based in the Munich area.

 

Just for your interest, the going rate for a selfemployed excavator seems to be about E14-16 per hour (In Bavaria at least). Overtime is rare (when you get it it seems to be at the standard rate) although this might be different on these large capital projects. I don't think it matters particularly what your position was back home - until you get up to speed with the excavation and recording techniques (and technical language of course) here you will be an excavator. Knowledge of a TST (Reflectorless Leica's and older Nikon's are popular here) and CAD would do you no harm.

 

I have never had a stroppy Super here...everyone is very friendly. Also, there is none of this "You don't like your wages or conditions?...there are people who would do your job for free..." nonsense. The fact that one has a degree means that you are treated with respect from the word go. By the same token, one is expected to work hard...not like some UK units where people just doss when the Super has their back turned (not something that I ever did - honest)

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The university of Bamberg have a listing of jobs somewhere on the website. My old gaffer tipped me off but so far I have been unable to find exactly where it is on the website.

Could it be this list of companies that organize the digging?

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That certianly looks like it. I never need to go the Landesampt again - instead I can spend money I aint got (resting you see) on overpriced beer in Hofbrauhouse.

 

...which is another point - back in the Uk it was standard operating proceedure to get a few jars in after work - if not everyday, then at least often enough. It seems that this is just not the case here - "No, I have to have a shower" or "I am too tired". Of course folk need a shower - if they didn't I would say that they are work shy - of course folk are tired, no-one is good after getting up at 5.30 for a 7am start - but that did not stop my previous units doing it. I like working in archaeology here, the digging (mainly box sections) and the recording is a lot quicker (although I find the quality of photography awful in many cases) but I really miss sitting in pub shooting the breeze after work. To use military phraseology - it helped build "small unit cohesion".

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Hello..

 

I've just moved here to live with my boyfriend - i've just finished my M.Sc in Archaeological Computing - spatial technology which involved using GIS, CAD and also Geophysics.

 

I'm hoping to find an archaeological position in Munich but have no idea where or how to go about doing this.

 

Any help would be useful!

 

Lizzie.

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I have heard through the grapevine that a massive job will/has recently started somewhere in the vicinity of Freiham here in Munich. Word is that this job is so big (of the cuff I heard 800sq hectares was being developed as part of the A8 autobahn development, however I have not had that confirmed) that it will likely give the crew work until next summer - they will work through the winter,which is a wee bit unusual for here. I have no idea as yet which firm has the contract but if I find out I can let interested parties know...that is if you are still looking for work. On the other hand,if you have any tips, then please share them.

 

I spoke to the firm doing that massive job up in Berlin (they found some nazi "degenerate" art recently) Alexanderplatz but they were not hiring. A terrible shame as Berlin is a cool place to have to live in for work.

 

I am waiting on a go-date for a job that my regular firm has just won "somewhere near Munich". If any positions are free and you don't mind digging and trying to draw on paper (no permatrace here) in crappy winter conditions, I'll let you know.

 

Taff

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I had a chat with those very helpful people in the Landesampt - they bent over backwards to help me. The long and short of it is that Archbau have the contract for the Freiham job but that they have finished. The job only started in November and there is no way a giant site like that would be stripped, dug and recorded in such a short time so I am guessing that they meant "finished for now". Ok, I have no idea of what and how much archaeology (if any - but I would be very surprised if there was none...there was a dig this year that uncovered a nice Romano-Raetian well within a stones throw ...probably associated with a Villa Rustica or Gutshof) they found but I am guessing that the job will continue in the new year.

 

Taff

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Any diggers lurking about? As we get into March and April things will start to pick up. I know of at least 4 sites that are being stripped right now. Due to the sensitive nature of archaeology and the threat of looters, bung me a PM and I will let you know whats what when I learn more. Sites are on the outskirts of Munich and the potential for features (think Hallstatt through to early Med) is good.

 

As with any digging job, a driving licence is useful, as is knowledge of German methodologies - i.e box every feature and don't be too precious about it.

 

Taff

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I recently started work with a firm in Augsburg. The site is still being stripped but to date we have found a couple of longhouses (suspected Hallstatt - La Tene period), a ring groove (from a round house/enclosure/ploughed out barrow?), some inhumations, a couple of wells, a tumulus and lots of odd features - post holes that as yet do not belong any feature and lots and lots of ordnance up in the plough soil. We have had a team of 7 or 8 EOD guys on site making safe.

 

At present the job is expected to last 6 weeks. Same firm has another site "Somewhere on the S2 in Munich". Due to sensitivities of excavation I'll say no more but if you are interested in some possible work (no guarantees) then please bump me with a PM. This firm have recently taken on some folk with no experience - on the job training - but of course, a knowledge of field work and a good grasp of German would be beneficial.

 

Taff

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I noticed today that there is an excavation taking place in the Marienhof in Munich, behind the town hall. This is ahead of some major work on the U/S-Bahn. In this area we had the old Jewish quarter, a subsequent cloister and part of the circuit of the original town wall. This could be a great opportunity for some very interesting archaeology. They have only stripped a tiny portion of the site so get in there quick...the job is just starting.

 

The work is being carried by these guys:

 

http://www.reve-archaeologie.de/kontakt/index.html

 

This is the firm who uncovered the Stadtmauer by the V-markt recently. No idea how they pay or whether they are any good to work for.

 

Taff

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Hi taff,

you are so good to keep posting here!

I got distracted by scrappy bits of work in Ireland but there is nothing now for ages!

 

I'm thinking its time to go back to germany again although my timing is probably sh**. I sent off to some companies and tried some of your tips before but didnt manage to get anything. I speak german but musta had a crap cv style or something. I didnt like the sound of living in a container though - what the hell were they thinking?

 

I followed that link to german digging companies and will carpet bomb cv's i reckon he he. Must brush up the cv, tis pretty bare these days.

 

Anyway how are you for work? Hope you are gainfully employed and found a few people to go to the pub!

Sinead

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Hi Folks,

Lets see what the New Year brings us!

By the way i realise I had never posted a reply to Neanderthaler or maybe i pm'd .. anyway thank you for the great post and to all who put in their tuppence worth!

Just thought i'd clarify, i had actually volunteered at Hohle Fels for a month and was asking around about work but they were in the uni loop and didnt seem to know how to get into commercial digging. Great to get the bit of experience in Germany though, even if it was research digging, they were good to 'work' for. Am currently 'working' for free, again, no end of that lark but it doesnt pay any bills....

 

Am yet again hankering after Germany and have a couple of questions for you helpful Toytowners:

 

What are the terms for the different grades of diggers in Germany?

 

I.e. its General Operative (unskilled labour), Site Assistant (fresh out of college up to 4/5/6+ years digging), Supervisor (around 4+ years)and Director (state licenced)in Ireland, in that order, occasionally Assistant/ Acting Director before you get your director's licence.

 

I'm a director but have happily gone back to stress free site assistant and supervisor roles to get work a few times in last couple of years, will do anything!

From what Taff was saying an 'excavator' would seem to be a Site Assistant?

 

Also what is the best format for an archaeological CV in German? I have googled a few but can only find general CV samples and they differ..

 

Do companies still want a photo with a CV?

 

Thanks for any help. I only check in occasionally as i'm back in Ireland for now but would appreciate any tips!

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Hi Sinead,

 

with all the experience in the world,you would be unlikely to get a job straight off as a Supervisor. German research dig techniques will not be applicable on a commercial site - just like home. Despite digging as a professional for 6 years, when I got here I was on a very low wage. Despite being an archaeologist (Archaeologe. Sorry,no umlaut key) I was little better off than an unskilled labouerer of helper (Grabungshilfe).

 

3 years on (it was not constant work by the way...a little job here a little job there)I got promoted to Super (Grabungstechnikner) although to be honest, the duties are only what I would expect from a digger who has trained in the UK and Ireland anyway. i.e make sure the newbies don't trash the site...if we are in a rush you draw the newbies sections and plans...being aware of the time and budget...produce work of a high standard etc.

 

With a bit more experience and a vehicle you could expect to make Schnittleiter...which is along the lines of a PO.

 

Self employment is the norm here.Health and safety is a nice idea.(they laugh when you wear Hi-viz and helmet). Whats a Risk Assessment?

 

Language skills are a must although a thorough understanding - an expertise - in a subject (me,I'm all rounder but if push came to shove I'm a Romanist) will also be useful. As would the ability to use something like a Leica or Nikon TST and of course CAD.

 

Pay? Well I started off on about E12 an hour but mt last job was a very useful E18...my colleagues complained that some companies (didn't actually say which, so maybe its BS) will pay E20+ for an experienced digger/super.

 

With your experience, being a Director, I would look a bit closer to home at the moment...try and get on one of the Pipelines...give Network a ring in England. Long hours, 6 days a week plus overtime...it's tough but the wages are good...

 

Taff

 

PS If you do get a job with a commercial unit here you will pull your hair out at the some the shit they pull...far too quick in my opinion (one company has the policy "One stiff, one worker,one day"...so thats a skele fully exposed, photographed (colour/digi/B+W and with photogrametary), draw and coloured in, finds collated, bones removed and packed and then digging the remaining grave fill out)

 

I have a tip for a big job in Munich (BA cemetary/prob some Roman/early Med - Grubenhauser etc) which is due to start Feb-March and will last a while.A good firm, good standards..they speak English...start out wages are not great...and all the recordsare done on hand held PC...diggers just dig and draw...no messing about with paperwork. they do tend to oversimplfy the stratigraphy...but what the hell...its not my country...who am I to tell them how to do it? I'll PM you the details if you are interested

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Hiya Taff,

Thanks for the reply - didnt realise twas January since I last checked in, thats stretching 'occasional' really.

My sense of time is ridiculous he he

 

Good info to have on the set up in Germany alright,you're a handy man to know!

Well we here in Ireland had the same 'one a day' policy in the times when work was plentiful, get them out, move on to the next one, weekly targets for areas, mad stuff really.

Health + safety has gone far to the dark side here in the last few years. Strikes me as very odd that Germany's h+s is less strict than ours. Whats going on???

 

Hope the munich project got going alright- were you on it? So I would be applying for Archaeologe jobs to start off then hoping to figure out what i need to know to get up to half decent wage as Grabungtechniker? That's great - I never quite got the difference. Thanks.

 

Network and pipelines in England sounds up my street - must check it out. Good wages in britain? I never heard that before ha ha - the stack of bills are nearly taller than me so some loolah of any colour would be great.

 

Am yet again distracted - by a research project I set up n applied for funding for and dint think i'd get, but i did, so happy days - busy til November and back out in the elements every so often :D

 

It means yet more time in Ire to get these ducks in order but one or other of em keep flying away without notice the feckers.

Anyway

Happy digging,

S

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Oh by the way all our recording is done on permatrace and paper, only surveyors used tst's so my techie knowledge is not far off zilch, CAD not a notion really, companies (units) way too tight to invest in technology / new equipment even tho they were raking it in. I suppose that would be the joy of being the Archaeologe - they teach ya stuff - bring it on!

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1 hour ago, Tristania said:

Hello, does anybody know how much excavation helper is paid hourly?

 

Unskilled, skilled, as excavation technician with academic education? Private sector or public service? 

 

If "helper" means no relevant training, then around 11€ (that's what universities often pay to students). 

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Hi there,

 

I am currently looking for archaeology vacancies within and somewhat out the Munich area. I have 3 years of commercial experience in England and Ireland. I have this experience in both excavating and 18 months working with Auto-CAD and survey softwares. I currently don't speak very much German at all, but i am eager to learn once i have secured a job in Munich and moved over. So i have contacted various archaeological firms. But has anyone got any tips, museums which may take on English speakers or anyone know any jobs circulating.

 

Thanks,

 

Emily

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