Underage alcohol buying and consumption

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The only ID she has is the one issued by school, I would not like her take her passport out. Is that sufficient ID? This whole alcohol thing is a bit scary.

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Here's the relevant law (in German) from the Bavarian Landesjugendamt.

From 16 she can legally be in a bar or a disco without a parent or other "erziehungsbeauftragte Person" (e.g. teacher, foster parent, guardian etc.) but only until midnight. She is not allowed to be there between midnight and 5am.

Beer and wine are allowed from 16, spirits (including alcopops) only from 18 unless you (parent/guardian) purchase them.

That's the rough guide at least.

Katrina

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I've done you a quick summary of the bits about booze in an edit. Cigarettes are also allowed from 16 (who controls this one? No-one I've seen, the Automaten are everywhere).

Katrina

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Thanks Katrina. That clears it up for me. I can't make up my mind whether starting so young is a good thing or not. Perhaps she will do all the wild things I did before she sits behind the wheel of a car?

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i sort of wished i got violently ill from alcohol earlier. might have reduced my consumption throughout college. admittedly, after that i became consciencious of my alcohol consumption and stayed with dope smoking. ^_^

sadly, seems the boys get drunk and drunker at 15 and continue this trend til their 30! if they only knew the beer gut they would get!

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Therein lie the problem of extremes that you see in the US, UK and Ireland where the minimum age of consumption is higher than elsewhere. Start at 16, learn how it works and have less binge drinking later on. Or some such bollocks anyway.

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Therein lie the problem of extremes that you see in the US, UK and Ireland where the minimum age of consumption is higher than elsewhere. Start at 16, learn how it works and have less binge drinking later on. Or some such bollocks anyway.

legal age limit has nothing to do with binge drinking. teenagers are on the lash well before hitting 18 or even 16.

According to the Economist, 48% of 15-year-old british girls have a drink every week - more than any other nationality. At 55%, British boys are the third heaviest drinkers worldwide.

binge drinking's definately a cultural thing.

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@SillyOldSlapper

 

I wouldn't worry to much about it all. Your daughter will start going out more and more and get to know the Munich nightlife.

 

Of course she will most likely start to drink beer etc. and perhaps even smoke, but that does not mean that she will become addicted to it or anything like that.

 

Having lived in Munich from when I was 14 years old, I would say that it is probably one of the best cities to grow up in, as it is so safe, there are loads of places to go and it's really intresting exploring all the different pubs and clubs when one is at that age.

 

Maybe there are different and stricter drinking laws in the UK than in Germany, but I believe that the chances of your daughter starting to binge drink as an example, are much lower in Munich than anywhere in the UK.

 

Dan

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binge drinking's definately a cultural thing

I agree, but one that is to some extent brought on by the higher age limits (and also partially the archane licensing laws which should have been changed in 1945). You are not allowed drink until your are 18 (or 21). When you are 15 or 16 or whatever you want want to try it but it's allegedly forbidden but that's not gonna stop you because you know better than the dumb older people. Getting pissed as a teenager is often seen as the 'cool' thing to do. I believe that's a big part of where the problem starts. On the other side you take kids who share a glass of wine or a beer at dinner with the family at the same age and any such taboos are removed.

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I also think that binge drinking is influenced in England by the licensing laws. Most people go to the pub at eight and then when the bell goes for last orders it's a case of getting in three beers and drinking them within the 20 minute timespan that remains. When you know you don't have to go home at 11pm you tend to slow your drinking down considerably.

 

I had all sorts of problems when I first came to Munich as I was still drinking at the 'English' pace and was always hammered by midnight. Now I have problems when I go to England as I drink too slowly. :P

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She is not allowed to be there between midnight and 5am.

So that's why the pubs always get empty at around 12!! :ph34r:

Heheh - only jokin'.

 

@SillyOldSlapper

 

The only ID she has is one issued by school?

See the topic on Carrying ID:

ID Carrying Topic

Surely there's something else? Unless you're only here for a short period?

 

I wouldn't worry too much about the drinking thing here... I don't think they

treat it the same way ... i.e. going out getting hammered is not really "cool"

or proof that one is now a "mature" person.

I'd actually be more concerned about cigarettes... nearly every kid here smokes.

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The only ID she has been given is a school one. We paid 80cents for it. We are here indefinately for the time being so where does she apply for something more permanent?

 

Actually, we feel this is a relatively safe place to do your growing up. I did wonder if I felt that way because we live in an expat bubble!

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If she has a German passport, she can get a German ID card...

 

If she is not a German citizen, then the PP is the only "VALID" form

of ID for foreigners. There have been atleast 2 threads about the

whole ID thing in the past week or so.

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Thanks Darkknight. I have read the other posts but thought from the previous post, I must of missed something - obviously not.

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My 13 year-old looks like he's 9 or 10, yet he was able to buy enough beer at a Wirtshaus last night to come home really smashed. The bartender came over and asked what he wanted. His friends were all drinking cola-weizen, so he ordered one, then another and another.

 

One of his girlfriends was nice enough to walk him home, where he stood in the cold in front of our door for a half hour, afraid to go inside.

 

If he had been our first kid, he could have gotten away with just walking in the door and saying, "I'm tired, goodnight", as the wife was a bit naive about teenagers and never believed me when I told her what was coming next. While I was the devil-incarnate when I was a kid, my wife was (and is) an angel, and somehow thought my kids would get her angel side, rather than my devil side. Life doesn't work that way. So far none of my kids are anywhere near as bad as I was though, thank God.

 

Anyway, our 19 year-old did what he needed to do to teach her what teenagers are capable of, so she wasn't buying it last night. I figure she would have figured it out by the time he had gone to the bathroom to puke for the 3rd or 4th time, anyway.

 

"Don't tell Daddy! He'll get mad at me!"

 

No matter how hard you tell (and show) your kids that they can come to you with anything, they can't get it through their thick skulls. When have I ever yelled at you about shit like that?

 

When our oldest turned 15, he had a party, and I decided to stay up all night to keep an eye on things. My wife said, you don't need to stay up all night, nothing's going to happen. Like I said, I know my kids are no angels, but at 4 AM, I decided nothing would happen now, and went to bed. They opened and emptied a bottle of tequila that I had bought for a friend, and one of his friends drank so much that he passed out in his own puke.

 

That is the situation I've been preparing you for all of these years. That is the situation where you come and tell me what happened, and I can help fix it. The fact that he didn't come to me made me rethink my parenting style. Should I be the hard-ass who flips out in situations like that, rather than the one who figures this is part of growing up? The one that you can come to, no matter what? Or so I thought.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm strong-handed when I need to be, and my kids know not to fuck with me. I can flip out over little shit, but never over the big shit. That's when I spring into action. Haven't they figured that out yet?

 

I was afraid to talk to my parents about anything, but that fear was more than justified. I don't hit my kids. I rarely punish them at all, and I can't remember the last time I so much as took away the computer for a day or so. They're basically good kids, but people fuck up. Usually the consequences are enough punishment, so why should I add to their misery?

 

Now kid #2 is afraid to tell me about something that I consider relatively trivial. What the fuck am I doing wrong here?

 

Well, I got way off track here. All I wanted to do was post about how easy it still is for underaged kids to buy alcohol in Germany, and there I go off on a tangent about parenting.

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