How to get medical degree recognized and registered in Germany

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Engelchen, when it comes to where we would want to live it would be either Cologne, Frankfurt, Siegen (which is where most of his family is) Stuttgart or Hanover.

 

He holds German because he was born in Germany and his mum is  German/British with an Australia permanent residence visa and his dad is British/Australian so therefore he was able told hold onto the Australian. 

 

And because my husband was able to get his German passport our kids who were born in Australia were also entitled to the German passport which both now have.

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21 minutes ago, aussiea said:

Engelchen, when it comes to where we would want to live it would be either Cologne, Frankfurt, Siegen (which is where most of his family is) Stuttgart or Hanover.

 

Then he should probably look up the requirements for each Bundesland BEFORE he files an Anerkennungsantrag. The exact requirements vary across the country and there are double jeopardy clauses to prevent applicants from having the same degrees and diplomas evaluated in multiple jurisdictions. 

 

http://www.brd.nrw.de/gesundheit_soziales/landespruefungsamt/index.jsp (Köln & Siegen)

 

http://www.rp-darmstadt.hessen.de/ (Frankfurt)

 

https://rp.baden-wuerttemberg.de/Themen/Gesundheit/Seiten/Auslaendische_Abschluesse_Akad.aspx (Stuttgart)

 

http://www.soziales.niedersachsen.de/  E-Mail:  4SL3@ls.niedersachsen.de  (Hannover)

 

21 minutes ago, aussiea said:

He holds German because he was born in Germany and his mum is  German/British with an Australia permanent residence visa and his dad is British/Australian so therefore he was able told hold onto the Australian. 

 

And because my husband was able to get his German passport our kids who were born in Australia were also entitled to the German passport which both now have.

 

My question was actually how well he speaks German and not how he received German citizenship. :)

 

I would also highly recommend that you properly research his earning potential as well as the cost of living before you make a decision to move here. 

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Your husband could only earn about 3,000€ gross a month, which means about 2,000€ a month net, i.e. in his pocket (if you, his wife, won't work): https://www.gehalt.de/beruf/radiologieassistent-radiologieassistentin

Which is not enough to house and feed a family of 4+ (you mentioned children).

 

His profession is not university track in Germany, in fact, his case is similar to this one: 

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16 hours ago, aussiea said:

Hey all can anyone give me some information or point me in the direction of finding out information about working as a Radiographer in Germany.

 

My husband has a bachelor from Australia he worked in Australia for 3yrs and now he's in the Uk working as a locum but we would both prefer to live in Germany as we have close family and friends in Germany.

 

He is interested in upskilling to being a Sonographer so I don't know if it would be possible for him to study for that in Germany.

 

So yeah any information would be great! FYI My husband holds German/Australian/British citizenship so he won't need a visa.

 

Please see this reply to your previous post elsewhere.

 

 

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Hey Pandamunich

 

In response to who he is supporting it will only be myself and our youngest (maybe) who is 15 as our daughter is 21 and does not want to move overseas at all. Also we already have accommodation with family should we need it in Siegen. 

 

The german language is both something we'd have to intensely study so this wouldn't happen for awhile.

 

And I was figuring his profession wasn't university tracked just based off the research I have done hence why I was saying he could try to update his qualifications if needed

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In our area we do have some medical technician apprenticeships that come with German language courses.  OTA is on of them (anaesthetic technician), nursing is another, not sure about any others. I don't want to get anyones hopes up though, because although I've seen pamphlets for such a thing just in the foyer at the VHS (but not associated with the VHS), i don't know where you would find that info online, and i have not seen any for radiology that i took note of. 

 

Most of them are dual-studium, meaning they study AND work directly in a hospital in a 3 year program.  You could contact the places where these are offered, contact the liasion and see if he can fast track through it by using his previous courses for credit and just do the apprenticeship while getting german lessons.  Here, for example, is such an advertisement: https://www.ortenau-klinikum.de/index.php?id=2382&tx_kpvacancies_engine%5Baction%5D=show&tx_kpvacancies_engine%5Bcontroller%5D=Engine&stid=812  - each "kreis" would have similar sites for their area hospitals, this is one of them in Siegen: https://www.marienkrankenhaus.com/fileadmin/pdf/MKS-Ausbildung-2014.pdf    Contact them and ask what the options might be for getting the MTRA.  They will know better than us on any given day.  But i think that would be more profitable and efficient than going through any sort of state recognition process but it does mean it could be a year of working in for free (or more, or less) to get it.  But you would probably have to do something similar anyways for him to learn german on a professional level. 

 

 

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Hi everyone. 

 

I have a question for Doctors who already have part training from another country, and then came to Germany, passed all exams etc to get their Approbation and have already started work, and are being paid on a tariff below their true training grade, because of training time recognition problems. 

 

I am in this scenario. I did the first few years of my specialisation in the UK, then continued in Germany. The approbation does not recognise time in training abroad, so I had to start from scratch, and the Ärztekammer said my training time in the UK would be recognised, and then I could do my Facharzt after I had done the remaining time. On their website the process takes around 3-4 months. 

 

The hospital said i start on a new year 1 trainee contract (lowest pay band) and then when the ärztekammer completed their review, I would move to the correct pay level and be refunded the missing pay. 

 

What happened though, was that the process too 2,5 years, with the end outcome that they accepted 4 years and 4 months of training time fro the UK, so I could immediately do my Facharztprüfung. So 1) I was paid wrongly for all this time (almost 30k Brutto) and 2) instead of doing 5 years training, i ended up doing the 4y 4m from England plus 2,5 years in Germany - much longer than necessary, so lost out more because with a FA I also would have gone up a pay scale, and in that time could also be finished with my Weiterbildung instead of just beginning it. 

 

I am angry, being paid way less than my peers in the hospital, and that the Ärztekammer have 'wasted' my time significantly. Not to mention the stress, time, and paperwork required in that 2,5 years!Luckily, my bosses recognised my 'good work' and training and put some stress on the ÄK otherwise it could have taken longer. 

 

Regarding pay, I go ta lawyer, and the hospital paid out 6 months backdated, but that still leaves 2 years outstanding. They are using a specific clause to support their argument against not paying, which is (better put in German):  nach § 23 AT AVR Ansprüche aus dem Dienstverhältnis verfallen, wenn sie nicht innerhalb einer Ausschlussfrist von 6 Monaten nach Fälligkeit schriftlich geltend gemacht werden. 

In my opinion (and the lawyers), the 'Fälligkeit' is when I recieved the confirmation of training time, and not when I applied for it, meaning that I have 6 months from the certification to apply, which I did (actually I did before that time).    Basically, I don't get paid properly because of the slowness of the Ärztekammer. 

 

Has anyone else had this problem, because my lawyer says this has never been tested in court. But as an 'Ausländerin' I think its really important, that if we have gone to the long road and effort of getting all the exams, and have good enough German skills, have integrated into the country and the language and have done everything asked, that we can be discriminated in this way. The UK has a great medical training system, and all my work was well documented. In fact, we got the comment, that when the Geschäftsführer actually looked at my documents, he found no problems, and from when he took over, the process took not so long. 

 

Hospitals could really profit from this, by employing trained foreigners, paying them as untrained workers, promising them the difference, but they know it takes more than 6 months, even when you as the foreigner don't, and they know they will get away with never having to pay! I only got 6 months backpay because I have an expensive lawyer. And before anyone comments, yes, I asked first, nicely, I offered to take a percentage of the pay to make life easy, but I was ridiculed and told 'doctors earn too much'. 

 

 

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