Keleth

I´ve said this so many times, when I didn´t have a car I was often in more danger from cyclists than car drivers. There are the cyclists that ride side by side (especially wonderful when the cycle path is half the pedestrian path), and there is the cyclist that rides on the road because hell I don´t know it´s too inconvenient to use the cycle path. There are cyclists who when the light is red don´t think it applies to them so bump up on the path go through the light then back on the road. There are cyclists who cycle through pedestrian areas because they´re not a car they think they can.   Yes I know there are many good and sensible cyclists out there but it seems to be now with the prevalence of ebikes that the bad are outnumbering the good.   Nothing at all to do with diesel cars in Frankfurt but there ya go.  

 

  I bet he voted for it.

How long does it take to fill an ICE and how long to charge an EV? That´s the big difference in that scenario.  

The biggest problem with quotes etc on this site comes when you´re using a mobile device,it is often a nightmare of a screen full of quotes that you can´t get rid of.

  Both sides of the argument need to stop getting so entrenched in the range argument. EVs are fine for many people as regards the range, how many of us actually drive more than 300km etc in one go often? However, the range is a problem for some people whether EV fans like it or not.

He seems to think that car pollution is the only pollution in the cities. For an expert engineer (self-proclaimed) that´s an incredibly strange idea to have.

No, they´re not. All the environmental and health problems and labour for mining for batteries are still dwarfed by the extraction of fossil fuels. But they´re not doing what they seem to think they are doing and getting rid of pollution. They´re still polluting but they´re moving a lot of the pollution away from towns. Most EV fans seem to forget that the parts used just for the bodywork still involve lots of environmental damage on the way to being made, and then there´s all the transport of those parts and the cars themselves which involves diesel lorries driving into cities. Then of course there are the ships to transport stuff as well, whether they´re transporting ICE or EVs makes not one iota of difference to how much pollution they cause. EV owners and advocates need to get away from the idea that EVs are THE solution. They´re not, they´re a step in the right direction but merely a step.   I would love to be able to go for a walk in town with the wife where after a few mins she doesn´t start coughing her lungs up because of the pollution and hopefully EVs will make this possible. Sadly by the time this is possible we´ll no longer be here to enjoy it.  

Lol 100%? A bit of an exaggeration there.

No I´m more than willing to change but the burden should be shared equally. For example, car owners pay an extra €20 car tax specifically to fund public transport. Everyone, businesses, and workers pay an additional 1% tax to make changes needed to help the environment. Many more ways to raise funds. We´re told not to use plastic straws etc, recycle and so on yet all the while businesses are being made to follow various guidelines which when they do they write off against tax so we´re paying for that as well. It´s not as easy as in "I´ve got an EV, I´ve done my bit".    

There you go again with the "real terms" bollocks. You do not have a clue, do you?

Yer yer soapbox. At least I´m not preaching about EVs while not willing to change too much for the environment. I´m not prepared to walk 10km to work at 04.30 because there´s no public transport and my ICE is too dirty for Like the environment. I´m not prepared to spend an extra €50-100 a month on food to buy bio or ethical products because I can´t afford it. You apparently are willing or able to do this (or you´re just too scared to admit you won´t because it will show you for the hypocrite you are). Like they say EV owners and lovers are the new vegans.  

This applies to the market for cars over the last god knows how many years but the price hasn´t dropped consistently, yes you get better for your money but the buy price still remains the big obstacle. The big thing with LED is that although more expensive initially they last a lot longer, are you willing to say that for EVs?  

Because we´re being made to bear the brunt of it, industry and commercial are not, although they´re by far the greater polluters. We have to save their profits by making us pay more for stuff rather than sharing the burden. How much extra tax are you willing to pay to provide public transport to make it a viable alternative to people driving in cities? How much extra are you willing to pay for your everyday items to enable businesses and their shareholders to keep their profits in line, because there is no way they´re going to reduce profit for becoming environmentally friendly? How much tax are you willing to pay to invest in continually trying to find new battery technology, yes better than fossil fuels but still nowhere near "clean"?    

People aren´t buying EVs in droves because they´re so fucking expensive. Everyones first love Tesla makes massive profits (Ask MM he´s always raving about their profit margin) yet their cars are extortionately priced so no excuses that the tech to build them etc costs more (It does for now in the case of ICE manufacturers retooling to build them but that will pay off)