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  1.   Sources please? Petrol/diesel prices are going up in tandem with electricity costs.   It's also a pretty glib assertion unless you've compared the charging rates of all the different charging cards. Check out a recent comparison chart:   https://www.born-forum.de/attachment/907-elli-tarife-04-2022-jpg/     Citations: https://ecomento.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/ID3-Vergleich-laufende-Kosten.jpg https://www.vzbv.de/sites/default/files/2021-09/Zusammenfassung_TCO-Studie_deutsch_final.pdf https://www.allianzdirect.de/kfz-versicherung/unterhaltskosten-auto-ratgeber/    
  2.   After subsidies, CO2 and tax credits, the EV I ordered has a decent range (420km WLTP) and the base version costs roughly €22k with theoretically €7.500 less operating costs than a combustion engine over 10 years: https://www.toytowngermany.com/forum/topic/391601-electric-vehicles-in-germany-all-the-ins-and-outs/?do=findComment&comment=3914607   If someone wants to totally ignore the far cheaper operating costs, that means the ID.3/Born costs more than the "Minis" car segment price range of €13-18k but is right in the middle of the next segment, the Kleinwagen:   https://www.toytowngermany.com/forum/topic/391601-electric-vehicles-in-germany-all-the-ins-and-outs/?do=findComment&comment=3922064   But if you dare to include the potential savings of €7.500 in operating costs, this is definitely in the Minis price range.   And finally, for people who can't afford that outlay there are some potentially attractive lease-to-own rates if you're clever about avoiding the typical leasing traps.  
  3.   Please clarify: what is this hypothetical 7.000 euro car you're talking about? I'm talking about one that's actually available.   In all of Germany I see a very small handful of Mitsubishi Space Stars starting at 9.500 euro but otherwise the low end starts at 11.000 to 13.000 euro.   Prices have gone way up and availability is getting worse every month.
  4.   1. This statement doesn't really jive with the German registration statistics I posted above.   As I mentioned, you can get mass-produced popular models of EVs with a respectable range (380-420km WLTP) starting at €24k which is the top end of the compact class cost - while the average new car price is €36k. And those 2 cheaper segments only represent 25% of vehicle registrations...   2. There are various websites that help consumers calculate how much they can afford for vehicle payments and all costs depending on their income and expenses. If you enter the average German net income of €2,088, the maximum vehicle credit is listed at €45k.   If someone wants to afford a €24k vehicle, an monthly net income of at least €1,800 is recommended.   https://www.verivox.de/kredit/ratgeber/welches-auto-kann-ich-mir-leisten-in-drei-schritten-zum-kaufpreis-120632/ https://www.sozialpolitik-aktuell.de/files/sozialpolitik-aktuell/_Politikfelder/Finanzierung/Datensammlung/PDF-Dateien/abbII10.pdf    
  5.   1. So far in Germany EVs are stolen less percentage-wise. In the US, Tesla's are stolen 90% less than other vehicles.   https://www.basicthinking.de/blog/2021/10/15/teslas-seltener-gestohlen-als-andere-autos/ https://www.radioeins.de/programm/sendungen/der_schoene_morgen/stimmts/2021/stimmt-s--dass-elektroautos-seltener-gestohlen-werden-als-andere.html     2. Many EVs have (optionally enabled!) 24/7 data connections to the manufacturers to collect vehicle or anonymized driving data to improve their semi-autonomous driving software. Not to mention features like anti-theft tracing, "Sentry mode" and cryptographically-signed key fobs.     3. Many popular Germany vehicles now use UWB to protect their keyless entry from amplification attacks mentioned in that video you posted:   "Ultra Wideband allows for high-precision localization at distances typically up to 20 meters. When combining multiple UWB radios into a single network, UWB technology can as such be used to identify the exact position of mobile UWB-equipped consumer devices in the immediate vicinity."   https://www.adac.de/rund-ums-fahrzeug/ausstattung-technik-zubehoer/assistenzsysteme/keyless/    
  6. Why not look at the actual numbers before making assumptions about what people can afford?   1. In 2021 only 1/3 of new car purchases were by private owners vs 2/3 which were for businesses.   2. The average price of a new car in Germany is around €36,000, while the average price of a used car is around €23,000.   3. Below is a table that I transcribed of all the relevant personal vehicles (PKW) that are registered in Germany by market segment (everything under 100K was ignored in order to focus on the most popular vehicles).   With EV subsidies there are only a small handful cheap, low-range EVs that can compete in the €13,000 - €18,000 "minis" segment. However, that cheapest segment only accounts for 6,9% of all registered vehicles.   The current popular lower-priced EVs with a decent range (eg. Renault Zoe Hyundai e-Kona, forthcoming ID.3 Pure 2022) start at €24,000 after subsidies. So in terms of new-car buyers, this is on the edge of the 2nd most affordable "Kleinwagen" segment (which altogether represents 25,4% of current registered private vehicles) but is almost the same as the average used car price.   Based on these numbers I'd say EVs are out of the price range of at least 1/4 of prospective new car buyers - and obviously higher for used car buyers: Germany: PKW Fahrzeugzulassungen 2021 / Total Personal vehicle registrations 2021 Vehicle Class Total / Percent Price Range MINIS 3,3m / 6.9% €13,000 - €18,000 Citroen C1 103k Fiat Panda 185k Fiat 500 318k Ford Ka 142k Hyundai I10 224k Kia Picanto 129k Opel Adam 150k Renault Twingo 349k Toyota Aygo 169k VW Fox 103k VW Lupo 108k VW Up 314k KLEINWAGEN 8,9m / 18.5% €18,000 - €24,000 Audi A1/S1 201k Citroen C3 163k Fiat Punto 202k Ford Fiesta 866k Honda Jazz 137k Hyundai I20 207k Mazda 2 147k Mini 504k Mitsubishi Colt 101k Opel Corsa 1,18m Peugeot 206 195k Peugeot 207 191k Renault Clio 381k Seat Ibiza 419k Skoda Fabia 814k Suzuki Swift 129k Toyota Yaris 348k VW Polo 1,47m KOMPAKTKLASSE 11,9m / 24.7% €25,000 - €35,000 Audi A3,S3,RS3 757k BMW 1 596k BMW 2 210k Citroen C4 104k Dacia Logan 119k Dacia Sandero 237k Ford Focus 839k Honda Civic 127k Hyundai I30 294k Kia CEED 180k Mercedes A 691k Opel Astra 1,13m Renault Megane 255k Seat Leon 403k Skoda Octavia 702k Skoda Rapid 111k Toyota Auris 153k Toyota Corolla 129k VW Beetle 122k VW Golf 3,69m MITTELKLASSE 6,13m / 12.7% €33,000 - €45,000 Audi A4,S4,RS4 906k Audi A5,S5,RS5 170k BMW 3 1,04m Ford Mondeo 266k Mazda 6 112k Mercedes C 1,05m Mercedes CLA 111k Opel Insignia 206k Opel Vectra 120k Skoda Superb 174k Toyota Avensis 105k VW Passat 1,00m ...and the rest: OBERE MITTELKLASSE 1,89m / 3.9% OBERKLASSE 276k / 0.6% SUVs 4,30m / 8.9% GELÄNDEWAGEN 2,77m / 5.8% SPORTWAGEN 93k / 1.9% MINI-VANS 1,94m / 4.0% GROSSRAUM-VANS 1,98m / 4.1%   https://www.kba.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Statistik/Fahrzeuge/FZ12/fz12_2021.xlsx?__blob=publicationFile&v=4
  7. So just a few hours after my last posts here, Habeck announced no more subsidies for plugin hybrid EV as of 2023 and that the current plan for pure EVs is to keep the €3570 Umweltbonus and reduce the Innovationsprämie paid directly to consumers from BAFA from a maximum of €6000 down to €4000 in 2023, €3000 in 2024 in 2025.   Then the subsidies are all done.   None of this is finalized yet - this is how people have so far interpreted Habeck's comments:        
  8. fwiw no EV delivery dates are trustworthy at the moment. It's total chaos.   Here's one example: VW has thousands of almost-finished ID-series EV's parked all around Germany for months, just waiting for a couple of electronic control boards and cameras. Meanwhile when new parts do come, they're often getting installed in the vehicles currently being finished in the factory - which means some customers who ordered much earlier are getting screwed over.   Another example: the dealer receives a customer's EV but the papers requesting the payment from the manufacturer haven't arrived yet. Then when the official receipt comes and the payment is made, there's no reply for a week or even more. Then some people are waiting up to a couple of weeks for their vehicle registration papers from the government. So even if a car has an October 2022 delivery date, a customer may not receive it until 2023, thus no BAFA Innovationsprämie.   Meanwhile prices are going up. Right now it's looking more affordable to compromise on customization and to buy a pre-configured vehicle that the dealer already has or who's already slated to receive it in the next few months and not the end of the year.
  9.   OK, 4th time explaining this in this thread - it's also in the first post   1. BAFA Umweltbonus until the end of 2025: If you purchase an EV, there is a government subsidy of up to €3570 that the manufacturer subtracts during the sale. This is currently valid until 2025.   2. BAFA Innovationsprämie until the end of 2022:   There's also a consumer subsidy of up to €6000 called the Innovationsprämie which is currently available until the end of 2022 (unless extended again like late last year). As soon as you receive the EV - but not sooner that that - can you apply for it:   https://www.adac.de/rund-ums-fahrzeug/elektromobilitaet/kaufen/foerderung-elektroautos/     tldr; if you order an EV this year and don't receive the car in 2022, you'll still get the Umweltbonus of up to €3570 that the manufacturer deducts from the sale price, but you won't receive the Innovationsprämie of up to €6000 directly from BAFA which depends on you receiving the vehicle then making the application by December 31st, 2022.   ...unless the government extends the Innovationsprämie, but there's no sign of that yet.    
  10.   So choose the rims you like and swap out the standard tires with wider ones when you get the car and sell the ones that came with it. What's the big deal? Most dealer can even do that when they receive the car.   Besides, there's often a delay between the car arriving at the dealer and the paperwork being completed.
  11.   Huh? You can get the ID.3 or Cupra Born with 235/40 if you want when ordering. Same width as some of the standard Tesla options.
  12.   Used car prices have skyrocketed in the last couple of years and right now there are 1/3 fewer used cars for sale compared to 1 year ago.
  13. fwiw the VW/Audi/Cupra MEB platform uses battery modules that can be replaced if they're failing or if their capacity is too low.   Each module costs about 1400 Euro - or 2k including replacement costs (less of course when more are replaced at once).  
  14.   tldr; mandated speed warnings, back-up assistant, emergency braking assistant, lane-keeping, lane-change warning and sleepy driving warning   https://www.adac.de/news/neu-in-2022/  
  15. The VW ID.3, ID.4, ID.5, Cupra Born and forthcoming Buzz van will soon be getting some interesting "autopilot" features:   - automatic lane change when signalling at 90km/h or higher - automatic lane positioning without any lane markers (or lane ping-pong) using swarm data. You can even nudge to the side in tight construction areas and it will stay further over. - automated parking to get in and out of specific memorized parking spots, even 50-100m away   Stop signs and traffic light recognition is currently in the works for one of the next updates.   Obviously still behind Tesla but slowly making progress.   Hey @MikeMelga - you mentioned before that Tesla recognizes speed limits signs just fine. So what's your take regarding Tesla's autopilot hardware AP3 supposedly recognizing but totally ignoring said signs on the Autobahn?